This section of
the website contains a brief summary of the investigations
into family history carried out by the Sennachie on behalf of
MacThomas clansmen.
You do not
have to be a member of the Clan MacThomas Society to ask the
Sennachie for help with your research, although the extent of
research undertaken for non-members will be extremely limited.
It should be stressed that neither the Sennachie nor the
Society offers a paid research service. However it should be
pointed out that the benefits of joining the Society may be
good value for money when compared with the cost of
employing a professional genealogist.
Please use
this link to contact the Sennachie if you have anything to add to the responses above or have some advice that you would
like.
Now that we have well over one hundred entries on this page it is becoming more difficult to find information for a particular name.
Please click here to view an
INDEX listing which entries relate to which name(s). This index will open on new tab on your browser.
Investigations
undertaken to date include:
(Key: Q
= Question, R = Response, C = Comment)
New
entries will appear here
McIntosh
(Australia)
(146)
Added 19/04/2025
Q
The enquirer has some McIntosh lineage. He cannot find a link between a John McIntosh (1655-1720) and his supposed father, John Ian Mohr McIntosh. On Ancestry.com it appears everyone has accepted this as fact, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence. For reference, John supposedly married Margaret Farquharson and they had Donald McIntosh. He would greatly appreciate any information.
R
Sennachie advised that the surname McIntosh is not one of the septs of the Clan MacThomas. Although it is associated with the early Clan Chiefs because the first Chief of Clan MacThomas was said to be a grandson of a McIntosh Chief.
John the 7th Chief (1607-1674) of the Clan MacThomas was known by the surname McComie and was also known as McComie Mor. He married Elizabeth Campbell and their first born son in 1637 was named John. He was killed in a skirmish in 1673. He had not married and had no known children. That alone indicates that John McIntosh, born 1655, was not a son of John 7th.
Around 1670s there are a number of sasines and deeds concerning John 7th and his family. There is no mention of a son, John, born in 1655. In fact one deed states that the son of John 7th, Angus, born in 1645, was the youngest.
Also in those days females were only fertile till about 45 years old. By 1655 Elizabeth would have been well over 45 years old. See the Chief’s tree - https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/genealogytreesearlychiefsnew.html/.
And there is a very old document, known as the Latta manuscript, held by our present Chief, and accepted by the Lord Lyon as genuine, that names the children of John 7th and it does not include a John born 1655.
Sennachie does know anything about a John McIntosh marrying a Margaret Farquharson.
McComas
(USA)
(145)
Added 06/08/2024
Q
The enquirer’s mother, Emogene McComas, died in 1982. Her father was James McComas. The family story was that McComas was a small “clan” belonging to the Gunn clan. Her mother was so proud of our Scottish heritage. They had kilts, scarves, caps, and the enquirer still has the crest on her wall that she bought in Scotland years ago.
Before a trip to Scotland, she did some research and discovered MacThomas and Glenshee and its connection to McComas.
Her first question is "how come it is wrong that we are Gunn"? She asks if she join the Society even though her surname is not McComas? She is not aware of any family members researching the McComas side and would appreciate any information.
R
Sennachie can understand the enquirer's confusion about how the surname McComas fits into the Clan “system”.
Both Clans had a lengthy period of inactivity and became active again some 60 to 70 years ago. Both have a Clan Society website. For Clan Gunn their recognised “territory" in the north eastern counties of the highlands of Scotland with a Viking connection. The Clan MacThomas “territory” is in the the eastern highland counties with a base at Glenshee in Perthshire. MacThomas has an ancient connection to the Clan MacIntosh in the Inverness area.
It is not unusual for more than one Clan to list the same surname as a Sept, or to limit a sept to a defined area of Scotland. However our Chief considers that anyone with the surname McComas, or with an ancestor with that surname, has a connection to the Clan MacThomas. There is a section on the Clan MacThomas website that explains the background of our septs - here is a link to that.
Clan Gunn does not provide any comment about the septs listed on their website. Our Society has been unable to find out why the sept McComas is included. Our Chief accepts that anyone with the name McComas in their family tree has a connection to the Clan MacThomas and can join our Clan Society as a full member by clicking here.
Sennachie may be help to take the enquirer's McComas line back further. He asks if she knows the name of the wife of her grandfather James McComas? Also is it known where James was born and when and where he died?
Another way of establishing the ethnicity of the enquirer's ancestors would be to undertake a DNA test as, for example in this case, such a test should clearly indicate if there is a possible Viking connection. Here is a link to a website about DNA.
Thomas
(Germany)
(144)
Added 06/08/2024
Q
An enquirer has had little contact with his father and his family. His mother spoke of a family connection to Great Britain, without being able to give any further details.Having found the Clan MacThomas website he asks if the Society has any knowledge of any Thomas people who migrated from Scotland and settled in the Bad Langensalza - Gotha (Thuringia) area of Germany? He would appreciate any information.
R
Sennachie advised that the Clan MacThomas Society is not aware of any Thomas family who emigrated to Germany. He explained that Thomas is a very popular surname and to give some idea of the challenge of finding out where the enquirer's Thomas ancestors came from, he provided the numbers of Thomas entries on the website familysearch.org:
Wales
1,011,300
England
979,560
Ireland
23,060
Scotland
8,080
Germany
46,590
So the chance of having Thomas ancestors from Scotland is fairly low. What the enquirer needs to do is to research his Thomas line back to when they arrived in Germany; he should start by obtaining his birth certificate. Familysearch has a wiki section which could be of help; click on the following link: https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Germany_Genealogy.
Another possible approach is to do an autosomal DNA test, with a company like ancestryDNA, which has the largest DNA data base in the world. This would give the enquirer's ethnicity mix, as a guide to where his ancestors came from:
https://www.ancestry.com/dna/.
Thoms
(New Zealand)
(143)
Added 06/08/2024
Q
An enquirer is a descendant of Kenneth Bruce Thoms from Marlborough, New Zealand. His grandfather was George Florence Smeaton Bisset Thoms who came to New Zealand as a deckhand on the vessel 'Fairy Queen' in 1873. George's parents were Alexander Thoms (an engineer) from Arbrouth and Helen Wilson. The enquirer is trying to find out more about where Alexander's line of Thoms stems from and whether there is a connection to the Clan MacThomas.
R
Sennachie indicated that having a Thoms ancestor from the eastern counties of Scotland, the enquirer has a connection to the Clan MacThomas.
He suggested for research, the following website pages may be of interest: https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/thoms/94/. https://www.myheritage.com/names/john_thoms. https://www.myheritage.com/names/joseph_thoms.
For searching Scottish records the best two sites are Scotlandpeople and familysearch.org. Sennachie asks if the enquirer has already used these sites. If not she will first need to open a free account.
On familysearch there is an Alexander Thoms said to have been born in 1818 and died in 1848. That means the next step is to search church records held on scotlandspeople, to hopefully confirm these years. It also means Alexander, his wife Helen and son George should appear on the 1841 Census with probably other family members. Hopefully using the church records on Scotlandspeople the enquirer may be able to go further back in time.
Sennachie suggested joining our Society via this link and offered to answer any further any questions that the enquirer may have.
McCombie
(UK)
(142)
Added 31/12/2023
Q
An enquirer was wondering what was the best way to trace family history. His father was from Skene born 1933, Alexander Angus McCombie and married his mother June McRobbie from Alford. He asks what the best way to go about it is.
R
Sennachie advised as the enquirer's surname is McCombie, it means our Chief accepts that he has a connection to the Clan MacThomas. If you join our Clan Society then you would have access to genealogical advice during the period of your membership. Otherwise, on this occasion there is limited general advice. To apply for membership please click here.
The following pages of this original website give you some general research advice: https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/genealogyfhgr.html https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/genealogyarticlesgtbfh.html https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/genealogyarticlesgtfhrbdm.html https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/genealogyarticlessnp.html https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/genealogyarticlesgtdnatalk.html
Sennachie suggested that first step is to see what relatives know, for example talk to parents, uncles and aunts or close cousins. There may be someone in the family has already done some research. Second see if a local public library has any “how to” books to borrow.
For Scotland, the most useful website is the government’s ScotlandsPeople. Registration is required to get access to their free indexes, and there are fees to purchase original records. Another useful free website is FamilySearch. Again registration is needed.
There are lots of other records available, but just using the above advice should result in setting up a family tree. Another useful site is Genuki as this will give guidance of available websites for UK research. Sennachie suggests not joining websites such as Ancestry at this stage.
Also appreciate that having DNA tested is just another tool to use. Some people think it could be the only thing to do. Sennachie recommends not using DNA until a tree back about five generations has been prepared.
MacCone
(USA)
(141)
Added 31/12/2023
Q
The enquirer asks if her seven times great grandfather, who went as an indentured man in 1652 to Boston, USA at the age of 27 and whose name was probably MacCone in Scotland, is part of the Thomas clan. Another spelling of his name was MacCombe. He changed it or it got changed to Cone in the USA. It is thought that he fought and was captured in the Battle of Worcester, and was sent to the USA on a ship called the John and Sara.
R
The Sennachie reported that there were two ships carrying prisoners of war from England to the American Colonies in 1650 and 1651. Much has been written about these two ships and the men who possibility sailed in them. A man named John McCoon is said to have arrived in New England on a ship called the Unity in December 1650 carrying prisoners from the Battle of Dunbar.
The John and Sara transported Scottish POW's from the Battle of Worcester to New England in 1651, and lists of men on board are said to include John and David MacHo[l]me. Sennachie does not believe John MacHolme and John MacCoon are the same person. Please see the following three links: https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/john-maccoon/ https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/dunbar-prisoners-of-war-all/ John and David MacHo(l)me on the John and Sara Passenger List (1651)
With regard to the surname M[a]cCoon[e] and MacCone, Sennacie looked at census records in the U.S. National Archives and found that the name seems to comes from Ireland. Although one source about John MacCoone above also states that he was probably born in Scotland.
The Earl/Marquess of Montrose led the Royalist army in Scotland during the English Civil War; our Clan chief at the time, McComie Mor, joined forces with him in 1644. This army was not only made up of Scots; there were Irishmen as well. Fast forward to Worcester and Dunbar five/six years later, it is likely there were still Irishmen fighting for the Royalist cause with the Scots - please see these links: M[a]cCoon[e]- U.S. National Archives- Census Record James Graham, 5th Earl/1st Marquess of Montrose
Also a search for the name M(a)cCoone or MacCone on the website ScotlandsPeople did not reveal any early Scotsfolk named MacCoone (or variations). While a search for the name McCoon on the website FamilySearch does reveal results for McCoon(e) in Ireland.
The position of the Clan MacThomas at this time is that MacCone/McCoon etc is probably Irish and is not connected to our Clan. Of course there is a possibility that some time in the future this may change.
Sennachie notes that McCoone may be connected to the Clan McEwan. Reading about their clan history, the MacEwens have Irish roots (like some other clans) and apparently the clan genealogy can be hard to trace. See these page: Clan MacEwen Sept Names- Clan MacEwen Society Brief History: Clan MacEwen
Perhaps DNA testing may assist in sorting out who was who on these two ships. There is a group on familytreeDNA called the Scottish Prisoners of the Civil Wars (Dunbar and Worcester). This group looks at the yDNA results of living men who appear to have surnames linked to the surnames of men on these two ships. Do you have a close male relative with the surname Macone or Cone (or variations) that you could ask to have the yDNA test by familytreeDNA. Please see this web-page: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ScottishPoWs/default.aspx?section=yresults
It is suggested that the enquirer might also like to see results for the Clan MacThomas DNA Group: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/clan-mac-thomas-project/about https://www.familytreedna.com
Thomson
(Not known)
(140)
Added 31/12/2023
Q
The enquirer is looking into his step-father James Thomson’s family history. James was born in Scotland and up until a few months ago the family thought that he was linked to the Campbells. However, after a little more research they know differently and as such the enquirer is wondering if there is more information other than Glenshee, and Argyl etc. He asks if there is an actual place, ruin, meeting place can be visited? He notes that there is a meeting every 3 years and asks if this at Glenshee? Also how is it possible for him to attend?.
R
Sennachie explained that a person with the surname Thomson or who has an ancestor with the surname Thomson is considered to have a connection to the Clan MacThomas where it is found that they have a Thomson ancestor who was born in the Scottish eastern highland counties, see link below.
Also see the Clan MacTavish website link below. So the question for the enquirer is, does his research of his step-father James Thomson’s ancestors show a link to the eastern highland counties? If it does then he would be welcomed to join the Clan MacThomas Society. https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/septthomson.html https://clanmactavish.org/scottish-thompson-name-mactavish https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/societymembership.html
All the enquirer's questions about our Clan and the Society can be answered by reading our original website. With regard to Glenshee and the Clan MacThomas site, the Cockstane, please use the links below. Anyone can visit the Cockstane area, on the A93 road just south of Glenshee. https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/glenshee.html https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/thecockstane.html https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/macthomaslinks2.html
The most recent Clan MacThomas gathering was held in August 2023, based on a hotel at Blairgowie, Perthshire. Our next Gathering is expected to be held in August 2026.
Thomas
(USA)
(139)
Added 17/04/23
Q
The enquirer has been researching his family history and,by using DNA matching results, is back to about his fifth great grandparent, surname Thomas. He asks if these Thomas ancestors connected to the Clan MacThomas.
R
Sennachie advised that using DNA so far back is difficult. To be connected to our Clan, having the name Thomas, the enquirer would need to find a connection to the Eastern highland counties of Scotland - such as Aberdeen, Fife, Perth and Angus. Once that is established then he could become a full member of our Society. Click here to read more about our septs and here for information about our Society.
Research based on DNA results needs to be part of standard research using online websites such as ScotlandsPeople and familysearch.org and supported by research at facilities such as libraries, archives and specialist services such as family history societies.
Thomas is a common surname, more so in Wales and England. The enquirer later confirmed a likely Welsh connection.
Tams
(England)
(138)
Added 17/04/23
Q
An enquirer has been told that the Tams clansfolk left Scotland about 1600's to travel south and maybe to England. A tartan shop suggested a link to the Clan MacThomas. He asks if he is part of the extended family of our Clan.
R
Sennachie advised that Tam/Tams is a less common surname in the history of the Clan MacThomas. Only one enquiry from someone with this surname has been received since 2010; please see entry No 40 on this page.
There is a dedicated page regarding the name Tam on this website.
It was suggested that the enquirer needs to carry out standard family history research along your Tams line to see if it you can establish a connection to the eastern highland counties of Scotland, such as Perthshire, Aberdeenshire or Fife. Sennachie carried out a search of the trees on the website Ancestry for Tams and discovered that there there are a number. He provided images of some. One thing that the enquirer could do is contact the "owners" of these trees using the Ancestry message facility.
If the Tams line dates back to the 1500s in England then it may be difficult to find a link into Scotland, due to lack of records such as baptism registers. An interesting large free website to use is familysearch.org.
This website includes some useful Staffordshire records which may be of interest.
Another approach is to take a DNA test. If you are just interested in your surname you could undertake the y-DNA test by Family Tree DNA. This is called a Paternal Test. Companies such as AncestryDNA, 23andMe DNA, MyHeritage DNA do not provide this test. The reason for using this type of test is that the results will apply to all your Tams male ancestors. Part of the result will be an estimated ethnic mix. If you take this test and the ethnic mix indicates a strong link to Scotland then our Clan Society would consider you have a connection to the Clan MacThomas.
MacCoone
(USA)
(137)
Added 17/04/23
Q
An enquirer advised that his Scottish ancestor was a veteran of the Battle of Dunbar and was later transported to Boston on the ship John and Sara in 1651. The manifest lists his name as John MackHolme (spelled phonetically by the British). The enquirer have read that Clan MacThomas have identified him as one of their four Clan members on the ship. His original Scottish surname may have been McColm. In America he is known as John MacCoone. He may have had a brother named David MackHolme on the same ship. The enquirer asks if we can provide any information on this?
R
Sennachie advised that it is likely John MacCoone has no connection to the Clan MacThomas. There was a John MacCoon[e] who fought at Dunbar and arrived in New England on the Unity in 1650. A year later, John and David MacHo[l]me both arrived in New England on board the John and Sara after fighting at Worcester in late 1651. Due to this, we don't believe John MacHolme and John MacCoone are the same person. Please see these links: John MacCoone on the Unity (1650). John and David MacHo(l)me on the John and Sara Passenger List (1651).
With regard to the surname M[a]cCoon[e], the census records in the U.S. National Archives show that the name seems to comes from Ireland. The source provided on John MacCoone above also states that he was probably born in Scotland.
The Earl/Marquess of Montrose led the Royalist army in Scotland during the English Civil War and our Clan chief at that time, McComie Mor, joined forces with him in 1644. His army was not only made up of Scots; there were Irishmen as well. That means it is likely there were still Irishmen fighting for the Royalist cause with the Scots at Dunbar six years later. The following links provide further information: M[a]cCoon[e]- U.S. National Archives- Census Record. James Graham, 5th Earl/1st Marquess of Montrose.
Furthermore a search for the name M(a)cCoone on the website ScotlandsPeople does not reveal any early Scotsfolk named MacCoone (or variations). While a search for the name McCoone on the website FamilySearch does reveal results for McCoone in Ireland.
Finally it is noted that McCoone may be connected to the Clan McEwan. Reading about this clan history, the MacEwens have Irish roots (like some other clans) and apparently the clan genealogy can be hard to trace. These links may be helpful:
Clan MacEwen Sept Names- Clan MacEwen Society Brief History of Clan MacEwen
Thomson
(USA)
(136)
Added 17/04/23
Q
A member has researched his family tree back to Mary Thomson who married George Rae in Monimail, Fife on 25 January 1724. He asks if there is any possibility of finding anything more, especially about her family.
R
Sennachie explained that at time spelling variations are quite common. So dont assume that Thomson must always be correct. Plus the lack of details in the old parish registers makes this task that much more difficult. Another factor that may be present is in relation to the naming of children, see this page.
The baptism of nine children of George Rae and Mary Thomson was found on familysearch.org with one baptised in Monimail, Fife and the others in the parish of Crese, Fife. Mary Thomson could have been christened Mary Thom or Thoms. The following baptism is of particular interest - Mary Thom christened 31 October 1697, Monimail, Fife, father David Thom, mother Mary Gilmour. There appears not to be a marriage of a Mary Thom in the early 1700s in Fife.
It is noted that Mary Thomson appears to have been pregnant when she married, Perhaps, for that reason she changed her surname slightly when she married. Also of interest is that women at that time generally ceased falling pregnant around 45 years old. Assuming Agnes born late in 1742 is their last child, then it is likely Mary was born about 1697.
There are many trees for George Rae and Mary Thomson on Ancestry with many saying Mary was born about 1711, making her about 13 when married, A marriage at that age is a bit suspect, especially in the light of the comment in previous paragraph. Our Clan Chief accepts there is a connection to the Clan if a member is satisfied that Mary Thomson came from Fife. It is generally impossible to make an absolute connection to a Clan. However at about the same time the Chiefly family were living in the area of Monimail; please refer to this page and this page on this website.
McCombie
(USA)
(135)
Added 16/04/23
Q
An enquirer in the USA is trying to link his earliest ancestors to their origin in the UK and Ireland. The enquiry relates to his ancestor, Mary McComb, possibly born about 1715 in Ireland, married James C. Young, Augusta, Virginia, USA.
R
Sennachie responded that this was a difficult challenge that may not be solved. Check websites such as Ancestry, myheritage, familysearch for any family trees relating to this couple, to see if anyone has solved this; ie, the parents of Mary McComb. If there are trees and none reveal her parents, this in an indication other researchers have also reached this “brickwall”. Consider if there is a possible name change for McComb, such as McCombie. Consider the possibility of hard to find records in Augusta that may reveal Mary’s birthplace, such a newspapers. A good website to check is the wiki section of familysearch.org. Contact the Augusta County Historical Society. Search the website for the USA National Archives.
Sennachie prefers to use free genealogy websites. For Scotland these are mainly familysearch and ScotlandsPeople, with support from local sites where needed.
McCommie
(USA)
(134)
Added 14/08/22
Q
A new member advises that he is the great, great, great grandson of William McCommie of Alves, Morayshire, Scotland. Records show he christened his son there in 1798 and his daughter in 1801. He asks if there a connection to the Clan MacThomas and what the Sennachie’s thoughts are about his McCommie ancestors.
R
Sennachie welcomed the enquirer to the Society and explained that his role is to try to help the member with his research. His assistance is free to members.
Sennachie prefers to use free genealogy websites. For Scotland these are mainly familysearch.org and ScotlandsPeople, with support from local sites where needed.
It was noted that the member’s research has taken him back into the 18th century. This means that the records being researched have limitations. For example, entries in parish register for baptisms, marriages, and burials give limited information compared to later years. Information from newspapers is limited. Many people could not read or write. Changes occurred to the spelling of names. Not all parish registers are extant.
A search of familysearch of the member’s ancestors revealed:-
George McCommie baptised 27 May 1798, father William McCommie, mother Anne McAdam, Alves, Morayshire, Scotland.
Anne McCommie, baptised 21 March 1801, born 18 March 1801, father William McCommie, mother Anne McAdam, Alves, Morayshire, Scotland.
William Mc Commie baptised 14 November 1795, born 8 November 1795, father William Mc Commie, mother Anne Mc Adam, at Drainie, Morayshire, Scotland.
Christian Mc Komie, (female) baptised 15 March 1794, born 12 March 1794, father William Mc Komie, mother Ann Mc Adam, Drainie, Morayshire, Scotland.
William McHomas, married Ann McAdams, 25 May 1793, Draine, Morayshire, Scotland
A tree on familysearch states William McCommie died on 17 July 1828. It does not indicate the source. One source could be from a headstone in a local cemetery where he was living. Sennachie suggested contacting the relevant family history society -
http://www.morayandnairnfhs.co.uk.
A very useful part of familysearch is its Wiki section where searches can be done for general information; for example, searching for Drainie, Scotland brings up this page:
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Drainie,_Moray,_Scotland_Genealogy.
Sennachie suggested having a DNA test. It is a tool within the genealogy tool box to be used in conjunction with record research. More advice on DNA can be provided.
As to having a connection to the Clan MacThomas, as your ancestor in Moray has the surname McCommie and variations, that is a sufficient connection to our Clan. It is quite usual for members not achieving a connection to the Clan using records, but achieving a connection based on the traditional history of the Clan, through a link to Scotland related to a sept of the Clan.
Thom
(USA)
(133)
Added 25/06/22
Q
A new member advised that her great grandmother was Maragaret Thom (maiden name) born in Scotland in 1890. Her AncestryDNA results indicated 48% Scottish with ancestry in North East Scotland and the Northern Isles. She requested further information.
R
Sennachie found the following entries on the ScotlandsPeople website that may relate to the enquirer's Thom ancestors:
Birth: Thom ~ Margaret ~ F ~ 1890 ~ 583/ 11 ~ Coylton
Census: Thom ~ Margaret ~ 1891 ~ F ~ 1 {Age} ~ 583/ 4/ 2 ~ Coylton ~ Ayr
It would seem Margaret’s parents were John Thom (born c 1846) and Margaret (born c 1848). Margaret is probably Margaret Speir who married John Thom in 1871 at Ochiltree, Ayrshire.
With regard to the DNA test with ancestry, the member might like to join the Clan MacThomas DNA Group on the website familytreeDNA. She can do this by downloading from ancestry the raw data created by your test and uploading it to familytrreeDNA - see the following links:
https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomal-transferhttps://www.familytreedna.com/groups/clan-mac-thomas-project/about
Sennachie offered more help if it is needed.
Thompson
(USA)
(132)
Added 25/06/22
Q
The enquirer recently found out about his Scottish ancestry through DNA, and read that Thompson is from the MacTavish clan. But then he discovered that it is from MacThomas. He asked which is correct as his DNA result according to Ancestry shows 50 percent Scottish. Also a “p” could have just been added very easily.
R
Senachie advised that based on evidence and traditional references the name Thompson has no connection to the Clan MacThomas. The only circumstance that someone with the surname Thompson has a connection to our Clan is where there is reasonable proof that back in time there had been a spelling variation. Even then if you can obtain proof that your surname was once Thomson, to be connected to our Clan your Thompson/Thomson name would need to have a connection to the eastern highland counties in Scotland, ie, Perthshire, Angus, Aberdeenshire and Fife. This is because we know that MacThomas clansfolk living in those counties many years ago did change their surnames to Thomson, but not to Thompson.
The following link explains of our Clan Chief's view regarding Thomson:
https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/septthomson.html/.
The enquirer cannot depend on DNA results alone to conclude that because a DNA test shows links to Scotland then your Thompson surname must be Scottish. DNA is just one tool to use in researching family history. That means DNA evidence needs to be part of standard genealogy research. Sennachie suggested research needs to be carried out on his Thompson line to see where in the UK that the Thompsons lived.
As for Clan MacTavish claiming Thompson as having a connection to their Clan, that is up to the MacTavish Chief to determine.
Holmes
(USA)
(131)
Added 25/06/22
Q
The enquirer’s family has long held their Scottish heritage with great pride and are aware that their ancestors came from the Highlands. They may have been sent to America during the highland clearances but their exact origins are unclear. Sources indicate that Holmes might be a anglicised version of MacThomas. Any information regarding this suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
R
Sennachie advised that the Chief of the Clan McThomas considers the name Holmes has no connection to the Clan MacThomas. Holmes is considered generally to be English with a possible connection to the Scottish Lowlands. The MacThomas Clan was based in the Scottish Highlands in Perthshire. Sennachie is not aware of any example where research has indicated that Holmes is a variation of MacThomas.
The enquirer needs to carry out some research to see where their Holmes ancestors came from. Another possible option is having a DNA test as this should generally provide a broad ethnic indication.
As an indication of the spread of the name Holmes, using the website familysearch.org a search using the exact spelling of Holmes in the UK resulted in 1.1 million for England and nearly 10,000 entries for Scotland.
Thom
(USA)
(130)
Added 25/06/22
Q
Thom is the enquirer’s first name, but it is his mother's maiden name. Both sides of his mother's family (The Thoms and Sanfords) are from Scotland. Great great grandfather John Thom was a blacksmith who immigrated from Scotland and settled in Sandusky, Ohio US around 1850. A visit to Scotland is planned in August 2022 partly to celebrate his mother’s 80th birthday. The family would very much like to visit parts of the country where their family is from. Any advice of places to visit would be very welcome.
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Sennachie explained that just on the amount of information given it is difficult to say where John Thom was born and lived in Scotland. He asked if the enquirer has John’s death certificate as this should say how old he was when he died. It may even say where he was born in Scotland? Also is his wife’s name known? John’s ancestors may have come from the area where the Clan MacThomas was based in Glenshee, Perthshire, Scotland. Clansfolk moved away from Glenshee in the 1600s and early 1700s to other parts of Scotland and even to Ireland. The Sennachie suggested looking at the following pages on the Clan website and elsewhere. https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/clanhistory.html https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/membersusefulinformation.html https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/thecockstane_throughtheseasons_201804.html https://www.discoverglenshee.co.uk https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/septthom.html
It is likely that genealogy research may not be able to establish where John’s ancestors lived, but it is reasonable to assume one of them came from the Glenshee area some time ago. Using Sennachie’s tree as an example, his Thom line is from Australia to Old Monkland in Lanarkshire, east of Glasgow, in the late 1800s. They lived in that area back several generations to the mid 1700s. That is the end of the trail, but it is reasonable to assume they are connected to the Clan and Glenshee.
Thom
(USA)
(129)
Added 11/01/22
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The enquirer provided her Thom family tree indicating that her ancestors were William Thom who married Elisabeth McLintock in 1785 at Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland and that William’s parents could be Joseph Thom and Isobel Rob. There is uncertainty about the Thom/Rob marriage and some advice is therefore needed.
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Sennachie advised that getting back into 18th century could be as far back as you can go. A general search of the internet found no other researchers interested William and Elisabeth, except there was one tree on Ancestry that stopped at this couple. For Scottish research the two main websites are the official government site ScotlandsPeople and familysearch.org. Joseph Thom and Isobel Rob may not be William’s parents as there is at least another possible couple, namely John Thom and Euphame Law who had a son William baptised on 23 May 1763 in Cambusnetham, Lanarkshire.
Thom
(Australia)
(128)
Added 10/01/22
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A member enquired about researching his grandfather’s ancestry in Scotland. James Thom was born Glasgow in 1876, the son of James Thom and Mary Ann Ritchie.
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Sennachie provided details of this family from the 1881 Census of Scotland found on Ancestry, and advised that the next step was to use the website ScotlandsPeople to obtain a copy of the original 1881 Census return and also the marriage certificate for James Thom and Mary Ann Ritchie, who married in 1870 in the district of Bridgeton, Glasgow. More advice to follow after receiving these documents.
McComb
(USA)
(127)
Added 10/01/22
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Great great grandmother Eliza McComb was born in 1843 in Ireland, possibly Co Derry and married James Mawhinney. Her death certificate states her father, Robert McComb was born in Scotland. The enquirer would appreciate any advice on researching this family in Ireland and Scotland.
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Sennachie advised that the website familysearch has the record of the death of Eliza Mawhinniey on 29 February 1908 in Boston USA aged 62 years. Her father, Robert McComb may have been born in Scotland (as stated) in about 1800 to 1830. Using this period, a search on the website familysearch.org results in only one baptism of a Robert McComb, son of James McComb and Jean Houston on 17 July 1825 in the parish of Neilston (near Glasgow).
To confirm that James and John are ancestors, the enquirer needs to see if some record relating to Robert reveals his parents names, such as Robert’s death certificate. The 1841 Census for Scotland may reveal an entry for this family. Having a DNA autosomal test may find a match to someone who has already researched this family. Note that having a McComb ancestor means the enquirer has a connection to the Clan MacThomas and therefore can join the Clan MacThomas Society.
Tomassini
(Italy)
(126)
Added 10/01/22
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An associate member enquired about the possibility that his surname may have a connection to Scotland and the Clan MacThomas, as Tomassini means “son of Thomas” and DNA results indicate Scottish ancestry.
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Sennachie advised that there may be no connection to a Clan MacThomas sept just based on a DNA result. DNA testing is just another research avenue and needs to be supported by documentary research showing which ancestor has a connection to Scotland. If the connection is based on surnames Thomas or Thomson then further research would be necessary to establish a connection to the eastern highland counties, such as Perthshire, Angus and Aberdeenshire. Also to a large extent it depends upon which type of test was carried out - autosomal, y-DNA or mt-DNA.
Thom
(Switzerland)
(125)
Added 10/01/22
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Two Thom brothers immigrated from France to Switzerland in about 1730. A living descendant is interested in knowing if it is possible that the ancestors of the brothers came from Scotland. Interest in asking for advice was encouraged during a tour of Scotland in 2020 when a stop was made at the Spittal where information about the Clan McThomas was read.
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Sennachie advised that a search of the website familysearch.org for the name Thom in France results in a number of possibilities and four examples were sent. Also general history of links between France and Scotland during the 17th century revealed strong connections. The enquirer was encouraged to carry out further basic genealogy research and consider the possibility of having a DNA test. The Clan MacThomas considers that people with the surname Thom do have a connection to the Clan and therefore the enquirer would be welcome to join our Clan Society.
Thom
(Canada)
(124)
Added 11/01/22
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Enquirer has recently started researching his Scottish ancestors and has found that his great great grandparents were Alexander Thom and Anne Anderson who married in Boharm, Banffshire on 20 June 1856. Information was found on Ancestry. He asks what else can be done and whether he qualifies for membership?
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Sennachie recommended that more research could be carried out using the websites familysearch.org and ScotlandsPeople, such as searching the census returns. Because his grandmother’s maiden name was Thom the enquirer has a connection to Clan MacThomas and he can join the Clan MacThomas Society. The Sennachie offered further assistance if needed.
McUmber
(USA)
(123)
Added 10/01/22
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An enquirer would like to know about where his father’s ancestors originated.
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Sennachie advised that McUmber is not a name associated with the Clan MacThomas. Nor is it likely to be Scottish. It is more likely to have originated from the southern English surname Maycumber, see a relevant article here.
Thomas
(USA)
(122)
Added 18/07/21
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An enquirer asked if his DNA test showed 50% Scottish, does that mean his ancestor Truman Thomas and his son Danford Thomas (1897-1920) could be connected to the Clan MacThomas.
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Sennachie advised that it is not possible to say from a DNA test showing 50% Scottish (or any country and percentage) which ancestors this relates to. So the surname Thomas could be related to the other 50%. Also the ethnic mix is just a guide and therefore cannot be taken as an absolute indicator. This means more research of documented records needs to be done, especially in establishing the origins of the Thomas ancestors. Brief searches on Ancestry, Familysearch and Google did not find any relevant results based on the limited information proveded by the enquirer.
Thom
(USA)
(121)
Added 30/05/21
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A member enquired about his father Nicholas Glen Thom born 1904 in or near Baldwin, Illinois. He had two brothers, Fred and Roland, and two sisters, Helen and Beulah . Their father was Jesse A Thom who died before 1951, wife was Mary Elizabeth Blank. He would appreciate guidance in researching further.
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Sennachie referred to pages on the Clan’s website regarding research. Copies of a relevant tree on ancestry were provided with the warning that the facts stated needed to be confirmed by research. Also advice was provided about DNA testing and the opportunity to join the Clan MacThomas Group on familytreeDNA website.
McComb
(USA)
(120)
Added 05/04/21
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An enquirer sought assistance in establishing their McComb connection to Scotland. Father McComb and sons James, John, Robert (ancestor), and William emigrated from County Antrim, Ireland to the USA prior to 1732.
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Sennachie advised that several Clan MacThomas members are related to this family, with research indicating that finding records in Ireland and then to Scotland, is very difficult, if not impossible, mainly due to the lack of records. For example, there are very few records on passengers moving from Scotland to Ireland back in the 1600s and 1700s. The best option is to engage a local professional researcher in Ireland. But in doing this, without knowing the town or district in Co Antrim will make research difficult. Please see an article on the Clan MacThomas Society website by clicking here.
Thomsson
(Sweden)
(119)
Added 05/04/21
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An enquirer asked if the Society had any record linking their Scottish ancestor to the Thomsson family in Sweden. Colonel Tomas Thomsson was born in Scotland and came to Sweden in 1595. He was the son of Henrik Thomsson - Williamsson born about 1540.
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Sennachie advised that the surname Thomsson was very rare in Scotland. In the 1500s the use of surnames in Scotland was developing and the name Thomsson in Sweden could have come from Thomson, Thom, Thomas and even McComie, an early name used by the Clan MacThomas. Church records prior to the early 1600s in Scotland are very limited and no record could be found for a Henry Thomson or father William Thomson. Even if a record could be found, proving a connection to someone in Sweden would be very difficult.
Thomson
(Scotland)
(118)
Added 05/04/21
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The enquirer has researched his Thomson ancestors back to the Rev Patrick Thomson who died aged 84 years in 1792 in Tillyfour, Aberdeenshire. He attended Marischal College in Aberdeen. He asks it there is there a link between Patrick and the Clan MacThomas.
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Sennachie responded saying that generally speaking a connection to the Clan MacThomas is based on the surname of a person born in Scotland, especially, in the case of Thomson. A Thomson family of the eastern highland counties of Scotland, including Aberdeenshire, means the Clan MacThomas would welcome you as a member of the Clan MacThomas Society. In relation to your ancestor Patrick Thomson, there is one relevant tree on the website familysearch.org. But no parents are listed. A general search for a Patrick Thomson born about 1708 in Aberdeenshire revealed a number of results which makes it difficult to establish if one relates to your Patrick. Being educated indicates his parents may have been middle class, so read some general history of the area and time looking for mention of a Thomson family in the late 1600s and early 1700s.
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McCombie
(USA)
(117)
Added 05/04/21
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The writer is the great great grandson of Robert Jacob McCombie mentioned in Hamish McCombie’s excellent article “McCombie - a One-Name Study”. Records found include the ship’s manifest for the Cornumia arriving Ellis Island in 1836, and his enlistment record showing he, together with his brother William, fought in the US civil war, and other family details.
Thom
(England)
(116)
Added 05/04/21
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A member asked for assistance in researching his Thom ancestors. Great grandparents were John and Caroline Thom (nee Smith). His grandfather Sidney was born in 1897 in Alverstoke, Hampshire, England. Father, John, was a Regimental Sergeant Major in the Royal Engineers, so the family lived in various localities. John was born in Largs, Ayrshire in about 1855.
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Sennachie recommended the use of websites Scotlandspeople, Familysearch, and Freebdm. Other websites, such as Ancestry and myHeritage can be useful but should be used as a guide to search for original records such as births, deaths and marriages and census records. Using these websites Sennachie was able to find details of his Thom ancestors back to the 18th century in Ayrshire.
McComb
(USA)
(115)
Added 18/10/20
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An enquirer asked if there are any details of the McComb migration from Scotland to Ireland. The Society's migration map indicates a move for southern Scotland to Ireland but it appears there are no family links to support the move.
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Sennachie advised that one of the biggest challenges is finding movements of your Scottish ancestors from Scotland to Ireland. In 1600s to the 1800s (and before) there was no requirement or need to keep records of people travelling from Great Britain to Ireland and the reverse. In those days there were no such thing as passports as we know today. It was simply the same as going across the River Thames, anyone could do it and there were no laws concerning such movements. The recording of general history tells us such movements happened but no details, except perhaps the movements of people of the upper class.
He suggested reading the familysearch wiki page below and watching the following familysearch video:
"The Scots-Irish: Plantation and Settlement of Ulster in the 17th Century" - click here.
McComb
(USA) (114)
Added 01/08/20
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An enquirer sent to the Society details of her McComb ancestors, Andrew McComb and his wife Agnes (Nancy) Penney, with some photographs. Andrew was born in the Parish of Carnmoney in County Antrim, Ireland in 1812 and Agnes was born in the Parish of Ballylinny, Antrim in 1818. They arrived in the USA in 1874 on the ship Parthis, and settled in Manchester, New Hampshire. They had twelve children including Andrew who married Mary Ann Braine and lived in Pennsylvania. The other siblings lived in New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Massachustetts.
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Sennachie thanked the enquirer for the photographs and information about her McComb ancestors. The Society had not received this information before and it will be filed in the Society’s records. Information was provided about joining the Society.
MacCombie
(USA) (113)
Added 06/06/20
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A new member sought advice on how to research their family history, especially their MacCombie ancestors. Great grandfather is John Spinks MacCombie who married Mary Dorward Ewing in Indiana, USA in 1901. He is said to have been born in Scotland in about 1868.
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Sennachie advised that there is what appears to be a well researched tree on ancestry.com but questioned its accuracy as research found no reference to John Spinks McCombie on either of the following sites. Sennachie questioned the use of the second given surname Spinks. He has observed that in America that there is a tendency for Americans to add a surname later in life as a second given name. That means the member's John Spinks McCombie may have been baptised as John McCombie.
Sennachie suggested that the member could do further research on scotlandspeople and familysearch.org. Indexes on scotlandspeople are free to search, but there is a cost to obtain copies of original documents. Familysearch is a free website. Researchers need to register first.
Thoms
(Australia) (112)
Added 16/01/20
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The enquirer has been using Scotlanspeople with a good deal of success.
Great great grandfather William Thoms parents were John Thoms and Helen
Warden who married in Glenisla on 4 January 1793. He needs advice on finding
John Thoms' birth and details about his parents.
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Sennachie advised that the name Thoms appears to have first been used in
Dundee in the mid 1700s, click here. This was a result of a name change,
probably from Thomas or Thom. A good example of this is the chiefly line, click here.
A problem at that time was that some parish records have not survived. For
this check the wiki section of familysearch.org. On this site I found a
possible baptism for John, click here (It may be necessary to log in to use this link).
Having a Thoms ancestor means that you might like to consider joining the
Clan MacThomas Society.
McComas
(USA) (111)
Added 11/01/20
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A Society member has enquired about information on ancestor David McComas born
about 1767, who married Chloe Bailey. There are indications that David’s
parents were John McComas and Catherine Burke who may come to America in
about the mid 1700s. Was John born in Ireland or maybe England.
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Sennachie advised that there are many trees on the internet relating to
David McComas, with some having as his parents John and Catherine Burke.
There is doubt as to when and where David was born. And the same goes for
his father John. Many trees on sites such as ancestry, myheritage,
genealogy, familytreecircles, and rootsweb indicate how confusing is the
research. Maybe there is a need to go through all the McComas trees that are
online, and look for references to original documents. Then review against
what you have already found. Click here and here to read two interesting
assessments.
Add to all that, it is difficult to undertake research in Ireland looking
for information in the 1600s and 1700s. Have a read of the familysearch.org
article on Ireland here.
McComas
(USA) (110)
Added 08/01/20
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The enquirer came across the Clan MacThomas web page while doing research
for an upcoming trip to Scotland. Researching back to Daniel McComas, who emigrated to the US from Scotland in the 1600s. She had always been told
that McComas was a sept of the Clan Gunn. She asks if the Clan MacThomas point to something that would explain why two clans would both want to claim McComas
as a sept? She is planning a trip to Scotland to visit important McComas places. One tree on the internet states that Daniel's father was a Donald
who was from Kenmore. She would welcome suggestions of places to visit.
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Sennachie advised that there are many trees on the internet relating to
Daniel McComas but it appears that no one, with proof, has been able to say where
and when Daniel was born. Those who have stated where and when he was born
are speculating. As to the Clan Gunn stating that McComas is a sept of that
Clan, their reason for this claim is not known. Our Chief is definite that
McComas is a sept of the Clan MacThomas as McComas is the Gaelic translation
of MacThomas, with “Th” pronounced as “C” in days gone by. Kenmore is in
Clan MacThomas territory while the Clan Gunn is based in the northern
Scottish counties. As the enquirer is female and the last of her family, DNA
will probably not help unless the autosomal test reveals a link to a male
relative. The Society’s website has information on the McComas sept, click
here. Our website contains a lot of information about Clan MacThomas
significant sites. Sennachie suggests that she should consider joining our Society.
Cumbie
(USA) (109)
Added 10/10/19
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The enquirer was in Scotland to do some family history research, especially relating to Cumbie ancestors and would welcome any advice.
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Sennachie advised that researching in Scotland for your Cumbie ancestors is difficult without knowing where in Scotland they came from, and also the challenge of a spelling variation.
A number of online Cumbie family trees show no link to Scotland. It is reasonably certain Cumbie was not used in Scotland in the period before 1800. It is one of those spelling changes that happened in the US at the time an ancestor arrived there. Hence the use of the surname Cumbie probably originated in the US. Our Society is satisfied that Cumbie is likely to be a spelling variation of the surname Combie which is a sept name within the Clan MacThomas. Even accepting this it will be hard to make the link back to Scotland without knowing where in Scotland your ancestor lived.
One option to consider is having your DNA tested. This may result in finding a link to someone who has used the surname Cumbie or Combie, and may find research back to Scotland. As your DNA test was autosomal only it is suggested you have your y-DNA tested as this test evalutes the origin of your male line only, ie Cumbie line, see article here.
As the Clan MacThomas would be inclined to accept you as a clansman of our Clan please consider joining our Clan Society by submitting details of your Cumbie line with your application, click here.
McComas
(USA) (108)
Added 30/09/19
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The enquiring member is descended from John “David’ McComas and his wife Catherine Burke. John died in Giles County, Virginia around 1799. His parents could be Alexander McComas and Elizabeth Day and his Scottish grandfather Daniel McComas. He needs advice on how to obtain proof about this connection.
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Sennachie found that there are many trees on websites showing Daniel McComas as their ancestor. First step is to examine these trees closely for new reliable information that is based on original sources. Also consider contacting the “owners” of trees that look well researched. Having been DNA tested, consider joining the Clan McThomas Group on familytreeDNA. Check the Scottish government website Scotlandspeople. Please note the responses to enquiries 31, 34, 61 and 89 below.
McCombs
(USA) (107)
Added 02/09/19
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The enquirer believes his surname McCombs 'traces back to' the Clan MacThomas. There appears to be little history about the name McCombs and most online information does not end in "s", ie McComb. He has established his great great grandfather was Henry McCombs who died 1866 in Illimois having married Ruth Walton. The assumption is that "s" was added when his ancestors came to America. The enquirer asks if this is so and would appreciate any information.
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Sennachie advised that there are many people in the USA today who have surnames that are slightly different to the name of their ancestor who arrived in America. We accept that someone with the surname McCombs is connected to our Clan. We have had enquiries from people with the name McCombs and comments can be seen by clicking here - look at numbers 23, 37, 66, 77 and 80.
One interesting free website is familysearch.org. This site requires researchers to register before accessing their data. After you register, enter the surname McCombs and the State where they lived in the US so as to see possible ancestors. Click on these links for other information, Schuyler and worldconnect.
Another possible opportunity is to have your DNA tested. If you are keen to explore your McCombs line further then in regards to DNA, you should have your y-DNA tested as this relates to your male line going back in time. Not all DNA testing companies do this test, especially ancestryDNA. In my view the best company for y-DNA is familytreeDNA, click here.
If you are interested in joining our Society, please click here.
MacTavish Thomson
(England) (106)
Added 02/09/19
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The enquirer’s great great great grandmother was a Mctavish and his grandfather was a Thomson from Lossiemouth in Moray. Having recently visited the Cockstane he is interested to find out if there is a connection to Clan MacThoms on either side of his family ?
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Sennachie advised that the Clan MacThomas does not have a connection to McTavish despite the Clan MacTavish claiming some Clan MacThomas sept names - click here.
The Clan MacThomas origins are with the Clan MacIntosh in the western highlands back in the 15th century. The surname Thomas as a sept of the Clan MacThomas occurs within the Clan in the 17th century, click here.
If the enquirer's Thomson line can be traced back to the eastern highland counties of Scotland, then he can join our Society as a full member. If not he may like to consider joining as an associate member, click here. The enquirer was asked to contact the Sennachie again if has are further questions, especially in regards to the Thomson research.
McIntosh McCombie
(USA) (105)
Added 17/05/19
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The enquirer’s 2nd great grandmother is Laura Ann McIntosh, said to be descended from John McIntosh (1662-1729) from Wester Drakies, Inverness-shire whose father was John Iain Mohr McIntosh (1614-1674). She would appreciate more details about this line including the connection to the name McCombie?
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Sennachie first gave a short explanation about the name McCombie. This is more of a “modern” surname within the Clan MacThomas that is said to stem from McComie when clansfolk emigrated from Perthshire to Aberdeenshire in the late 16th and the 17th century. There is no evidence that the surname McCombie was used by the chiefly family of the Clan MacThomas. Nor is there any evidence of a link between a McCombie and McIntosh. Due to the lack of records that early its not possible to prove such a link. See the following pages on this website: https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/septmccombie.html https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/genealogyarticlesons.html
It also should be appreciated that in pre1700 times some supporters of Clans took up using a surname for the first time by adopting one of the Clan's main surnames, eg McComie, without being a blood relation. That means it cannot be assumed that a person today having a Clan name must be related to the chiefly line some time in the past. Its more likely not so. McIntosh is not a sept of the Clan MacThomas.
In your McIntosh line you have stated that the father of John McIntosh, born 1662, of Wester Drakies in Inverness Shire, was “John Iain Morh McIntosh” This is clearly wrong. John the 7th Chief had six sons, the last being born in 1645. It is highly unlikely that his wife Elizabeth had any more children, certainly not in 1662 - please see this website page: https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/genealogytreesearlychiefsnew.html
From what you have provided your McIntosh line appears to come from Inverness Shire while the Chiefs of the Clan MacThomas lived in Perthshire. In those days the Clan MacThomas had connections to the eastern counties but there is no evidence of links to the north-west.
Thomson
(USA) (104)
Added 22/04/19
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The enquirer has just started trying to compile a family tree. One line goes back to John Thomson who emigrated to the USA from Scotland. John was born in 1730 (either January or April) and was the son of Uzal Thomson. A web search for Uzal found an entry on the Clan's website but just as a reference that Uzal was the father of John. So for now this faimily line seems to end with John and Uzal Thomson. Does your Society know anything further about Uzal and his wife?
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Sennachie advised that what was found were extracts from a book, and placed on our website to help people who are researching their family history. The fact that the entries from the book are listed on our website, does not necessarily mean there is a connection to our Clan. Also Sennachie is not aware of the source the author used to create his listing, so perhaps it may be useful for the enquirer to have a look at this book. It may be listed in the online catalogue of the Library of Congress. https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/genealogydatadseusa.html https://openlibrary.org/books/OL5305188M/A_dictionary_of_ Scottish_emigrants_to_the_U.S.A.
As to the surname Thomson having a connection to the Clan MacThomas please read this page on our website:
https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/septthomson.html
In regards to a person named Uzal Thomson living in Scotland in the early 1700s, a search of the official Scottish government website Scotlands People did not find any use of the given name Uzal (or variations). This is not a surprise, as Sennachie's reaction to this given name was that it is most likely Uzal Thomson was born in the USA and not Scotland.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
McComb
(USA) (103)
Added 11/04/19
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The enquirer’s paternal line is Scottish. Andrew McComb married Christina Bell in mid 1700s and had at least three sons, while living in County Cork, Ireland. He referred to himself as a Scotsman and is said to have been born around Aberdeen in 1740. His son James was born in 1765 and by 1882 he and two brothers had made their way to Augusta County, Virginia, USA. Family history says the McCombs were of the MacKintosh Clan; even using their crest motto. The enquirer asks whether does the Clan know anything of Andrew McComb circa 1740? Also whether the Clan took part in the Battle of Culloden? Any information would be gladly appreciated.
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Sennachie advised that in relation to the Clan MacIntosh, the surname McComb was only used in Scotland from about the second half of the 1600s, and from the early 1700s in Ireland. In other words after the Clan MacThomas was established in the Glenshee area around 1500. Therefore it is generally accepted by Clans that McComb is a Clan MacThomas sept rather than Clan MacIntosh. Read a brief history of the Clan MacThomas at: https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/septmccomb.html https://clanmacthomas.uk/pages/clanhistory.html
Was Andrew was born in Scotland? It is doubtful this has been proved by any researcher of this family. On the website worldconnect, there are three relevant trees, of which only one says, without proof, he was born in Scotland. On the website familysearch.org there are again three trees with two, without proof, saying he was born in Scotland. There are probably relevant trees on paid sites such as ancestry and myheritage. There is a possibility he was born in Ireland. This could be difficult to prove as many records were destroyed in Dublin in the Troubles in 1922; see the following link: https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/irish-records-burned.html
In relation to Culloden there are no known comprehensive lists of soldiers who took part in the 1746 Battle. Many names of officers are known but not the common soldier. None of the known officers had a Clan MacThomas sept name, and in the history of the Clan there is no mention of any clansfolk taking part in the Battle. But it is possible. If some did then they probably were in the Clan Chattan group, see link below. By the time of Culloden, the Clan MacThomas was well and truely dormant, see Clan history. So it is impossible to say that a McComb family member took part in the Battle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Culloden https://www.unknownscottishhistory.com/articlefourteen.php
Thom
(France) (102)
Added 31/03/19
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The member is trying to find information about great grandfather James Thom, and his father John. The only information to hand is that James Thom was born in 1843 or 1844 in Aberdeen (according to Census returns of 1871 and 1881. His marriage certificate states his father was John Thom, a sheriff officer. James Thom married Eliza Root and they had 6 children; James, Robert, Isabella, Emma, Agatha and the enquirer's grandfather Donald Roy.
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Sennachie advised that the challenge is the change in Scotland from baptisms, marriages, and burials conducted by religious institutions, ie, churches, to the introduction in 1855 in Scotland of civil registration of births, marriages and deaths. This results in there being less information recorded in the earlier parish registers. Also the formal taking of a census did not begin in the UK until 1831, and then every 10 years since. However no personal details have been retained of the 1831 census. As a result census returns for 1841 to 1901 are a valuable link between the civil registration period and the church period for births, deaths and marriage details. The other major problem is that its easy to come across multiple likely results, say of Thom births/baptisms pre 1856 and its a challenge to establish which is one's ancestor. This is also coupled with spelling variations. For example, a Thom ancestor may have been baptised with the surname Thoms. As James was likely to have been born in Aberdeen in about 1843/44 and his father’s name is John, check using the website familysearch.org as there is one entry of interest. This baptism can also be found in the church records index on the official website ScotlandsPeople. A good move is to establish the name of James’ mother. Search the census returns for 1851 and 1861 looking for James Thom.
Thomas
(USA) (101)
Added 31/03/19
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The enquirer’s surname is Robinson and his grandmother’s maiden name is Thomas. DNA results indicate a strong link to Scotland. He asks if the Clan's records reveal a Robinson with a link to Thomas? Great Great grandfather was James Henry Thomas, born 1843 in South Carolina, who married Sarah Francis Scott. The enquirer is interested in becoming a Clan Society member if there is a link to the Clan MacThomas.
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In the Clan records, Sennachie has found no Robinson/Thomas connection. In order to claim a Thomas link with the Clan MacThomas the enquirer needs to research their Thomas line back in time to see if they come from one of the highland counties in the east of Scotland, such as Perthshire, Aberdeenshire, Fife, and Angus. There are a number of relevant trees on several websites (details provided). None go back to Scotland indicating that is a real challenge. That means the task of trying to link to the Clan MacThomas is difficult unless there is a DNA match to a person who can link to the Clan.
Thoms
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A long time member would like to add information to some incomplete branches on his family tree. He wants to establish whether there are any descendents from the siblings of his maternal great grandfather, Thomas Hunter Thoms. He would welcome any information or advice on how to proceed.
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Sennachie carried out some research using the following websites - scotlandspeople (births, deaths, marriages, and census returns), ancestry.com (deaths, naturalisation, census return for Arizona, USA), findagrave, billiongraves and docplayer.net (monumental inscriptions). Of the enquirer’s six great great uncles and aunts, only one appears to have the possibility of living descendants.
George Duncan Thoms appears to have died in 1863 aged 21 years, unmarried.
James Henry Thoms appears to have died in 1883 aged 41 years, unmarried.
Elizabeth Mitchell Thoms married David Scott Fergusson in 1866; they had three children who all died unmarried.
William Henry Thoms died 1848 aged 7 months.
Patrick Hunter Thoms, died 1870 aged 22 in Brazil.
Alexander Russell Thoms married in 1881 (died 1909 in Arizona) to Mary Buchanan Brown, they had two children, William Brown Thoms who died in 1960 in California, unmarried, and Nellie Chick Thoms, who married Alfred L Rogers and they had at least two children, Veral Rogers born 1904 and Milton Rogers born 1907 who married Alis Quakenbush in 1937 in California.
To see what Californian records are available go to the Wiki Section of the familysearch website.
Mackholmes MacKolmes MacCulm MacCoones
(USA) (099)
Added 02/12/18
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An enquirer on Facebook asked whether the surnames Mackolmes/MacCulm/MacCoones part of the Clan MacThomas?
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Sennachie advised that there are many spelling variations for some of the sept names, especially in the USA. Some variations such as MacCoones are difficult to connect to a Scottish surname. It is unlikely to be connected to Mackholme. Changes happened as people penning spelt it as it sounded to them. As Mackholme and MacCulm may come from MacColm/McColm which is a sept of the Clan MacThomas, people with these surnames can apply for membership of the Clan MacThomas Society. MacCoones is not connected to Clan MacThomas.
Thomson
(USA) (098)
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The enquirer’s grandfather, John Bruce Thomson, was born in April 1893 in Methil in the District of Buckhaven, Fife. His parents being David Thomson and Margaret White. John emigrated to Canada around 1912 then to USA. She asks if the Sennachie can provide more information.
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Sennachie suggested website scotlandspeople, to access births, deaths, and marriages, census returns and wills. Other general sites that may be useful are familysearch and worldconnect. Buckhaven is in the Parish of Wemyss. Good sites to learn what parish records exist and where they are held (or copies) is the Wiki section of familysearch, and the Genuki section on Fife. Local websites that may be useful include the Buckhaven Library and Museum, Methil Library, Fife County Archives, and the Fife Council Archives. Sennachie also provided were some specific records found on familysearch
Tomé
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The enquirer’s family surname is Tomé and this Portuguese name is said to be the equivalent of Thomas. Does the Clan MacThomas have a presence in Portugal and what is the origin of this uncommon surname?
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Sennachie advised that surname probably goes back to the era of when people started to use surnames with a given names. It is said that Tomé is equivalent of Thomas in English. That does not mean it comes from Thomas, perhaps Thomas came from Tomé. We just dont know. It could be that someone in Portugal way back in the 14th century simply started using Tomé as a surname.
By accessing the website familysearch, a search for Tomé in Portugal will reveal over 1000 results, a very small number.
Sennachie doubts very much there will be a connection to Scotland, and therefore no connection to the Clan MacThomas. Perhaps the enquirer might consider doing a DNA test as that will give a general indication of where the Tomé ancestors lived back in time. Or maybe undertake standard family history research.
Thom
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The enquirer’s grandfather, Norman William Thom, was born to John Mollision Thom of Dundee and Mary Ann Crichton Smith of Edinburgh on 19th January 1920 in New York USA. She would like to know if John has a connection to the Clan and something about the history of this Thom line.
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Sennachie advised that as the enquirer's grandfather has the surname Thom and has a connection to Scotland, this means your Thom ancestors have a connection to the Clan MacThomas and that you can become a full member of the Clan MacThomas Society.
The first step is to obtain a copy of your grandfather's birth certificate and check for other information by clicking here.
As his naturalisation certificate gives John Mollison Thom’s birth date in Scotland use the website scotlandspeople to search back in time using birth, death and marriage indexes and records, census records and possibly wills, all online for a cost.
Some Thom family trees may be found on websites such as familysearch, worldconnect, myheritage, ancestry. It should be appreciated that family trees on websites should be treated with caution, as experienced researchers find that many trees contain errors, usually due to wrong assumptions.
Thom
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Enquirer would like to find more information about grandmother, Annie Christie Neil Thom, born in Glasgow in 1895, and her ancestors. Any help to learn where to begin searching would be appreciated.
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Sennachie suggested a visit to the local public library to borrow books on how to research family history, especially one that includes information on Scotland research. Also joining a local family history society, if there is one, as they will help with research.
A useful website as a guide to internet sources for Scotland is GENUKI - http://www.genuki.org.uk.
It would be useful to obtain grandmother's birth certificate from scotlandspeople. The next step could be to search the 1901 Scottish census on scotlandspeople for the parents of Annie.
If Annie came to the US/Canada when she was young, her parents probably emigrated. So maybe search for Annie in the Canadian Census returns, say for 1911, and also obtain Annie’s marriage certificate as this may name her parents.
McColm
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A member is interested in researching his McColm ancestors. There are family trees on 'ancestry.com' that show ancestor Malcolm McColm and his father John were born in Strabane, Ireland in 1769 and 1730. Both died in the USA. The challenge is to find missing information such as the birth of John’s father in Scotland.
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Sennachie advised of the need to check the published information in family trees on the internet such as ancestry.com against original sources. There are relevant McColm trees on other web sites such as worldconnect and familysearch.org. Another interesting site is: https://sites.google.com/site/mccolmfamilyhistory. One of the main sites for Scottish research is scotlandspeople. Regardless of the challenges, as the member's grandmother’s maiden surname is McColm, he has a connection to our Clan and is most welcome.
McComb
(USA) (093)
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A member asked whether a tree on Ancestry is correct. Her ancestor Jacob James McComb’s father was William McComb and grandfather William Thomas McComb. Both William (b 1710) and William Thomas (b1680) were said to have been born in Ireland. Also the father of William Thomas McComb is stated to be John MMcComb(ie) born 1600 in Crandart, Scotland, (married Elizabeth Campbell) and his father Alexander McCommie, born 1578 Finegand (married to Margaret Small).
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Sennachie advised that this may be an attempt to incorrectly link a McComb family in Ireland with the chiefly tree in Scotland. There are articles in the Genealogy section of the Clan’s web site that clearly indicate such connections are unlikely. First it is difficult to prove a link between Ireland and Scotland - although this is shown on the Clan Migration Map. Second no evidence has been found of members of the chiefly family changing their name to surnames such as McComb, McCombe, McCombie. Third is that its unlikely that a man born in 1600 would have a child born in 1680. This does not mean that members with these sept names are not members of Clan MacThomas.
Thom
(Australia) (092)
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The enquirer has been researching his Thom ancestors and
has got back as far as Alexander Thom who married Margaret Gib in 1763 in Rothiemay, County Banff. There is a
gap in the baptism records from 1711 to 1747. He requested advice on next research steps and asks if there
a connection to Clan MacThomas?
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Sennachie advised that the web sites scotlandspeople and familysearch confirm the gap in the baptism records.
A search of the baptism indexes on both these sites for Alexander Thom over the period 1700 to 1750 reveals many
entries. Also a search for Thom baptisms in Banff 1658 and 1710 reveal 43 baptisms, all in the parish of St Fergus.
Sennachie suggests that this may be where Alexander’s ancestors lived. But because of the gap in the Rothiemay records it is virtually
impossible to go back any further. However as the enquirer's Scottish ancestor is named Thom it is accepted that there is a
connection to the Clan MacThomas, perhaps by migration from Glenshee to Banff via Aberdeen.
Thomas
(USA) (091)
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The enquirer’s family has always said that they had connections to Ireland and Scotland. His grandfather
was Burely McDonald Thomas.
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Sennachie advised that Thomas was a popular surname in the UK and Ireland, especially in England and Wales,
and to a lessor extent in Ireland and Scotland. A search of the web sites worldconnect and ancestry revealed
a number of relevant trees - Burley’s father is stated as Willis Washington Thomas, his grandfather William
Hunsucker Thomas, great grandfather Aaron Obediah Thomas, and great great grandfather Joseph Thomas, all born
in the USA. This line may go back to a Hugh Thomas in Maryland in the 1600s. If this is relevant then the most
likely connection is to Wales. None of the family trees found has a connection to the UK or Ireland.
Sennachie suggests that further research is needed.
Thom
(USA) (090)
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Much research has been carried out on Thom line back to Joseph Thom who was born in the 1740s possibly
in Ireland or Scotland. Help is needed to resolve his origin and trip to America.
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Sennachie advised that there are related trees on three web sites and that
he has found a variety of data
relating to the origins of Joseph Thom said to be born about 1743. Many Americans researching their family history find it difficult, if not impossible,
to trace back to where their ancestors came from prior to their arrival in America. And this includes Joseph Thom.
The website
familysearch.org
has one Joseph Thom tree with origins in County Down, born about 1743 and another
about 1748 in Aberdeen. The web site
worldconnect has 30
related trees, with birth about 1743 or 1748, and in County Down,
Ireland, Scotland, Aberdeen, and Pennsylvania. Ancestry has 212 with birth about 1743 (125) and 1748 (87). Lots give
the birth place as Ireland, Pennsylvania and some in Scotland.
Of course many of these trees may be simply repeating what they have found in other trees online.
This is an indication that everyone is guessing.
Usually the information about a person’s origins , if extant, can be found in the records of the “new” country.
It looks like this information does not exist as none of the above trees refers to arrival data.
No baptism could be found for a Joseph Thom in Ireland around 1740s, in ancestry and
familysearch.org.
But many Irish church records have been destroyed. Four possible baptisms of a Joseph Thom in Scotland 1730-1760,
were found on
scotlandspeople.
Any one of them could be the enquirer's Joseph.
McComas
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24/02/18
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The enquirer was seeking information about ancestor Daniel McComas, born 1662 in Scotland,
who married Elizabeth, and settled in Boston in 1685.
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Sennachie advised that two free web sites provide a variety
of data related to the origins of a Daniel McComas, who
is said to have been born about 1666. Many Americans doing their
family history find it difficult, if not impossible, to trace their ancestors back to where they came
from prior to their arrival in America. And this includes Daniel McComas.
There are 208 relevant trees on website
worldconnect
and around sixty on
familysearch.org.
Some researchers state he was a captain of the guard at Edinburgh Castle in about 1678. It is doubtful that Daniel McComas born 1666 would have been a
captain at age 12 or even at 16 years.
The official Scottish government website,
scotlandspeople, for early baptisms revealed no
baptism for a Daniel McComas during the period 1630 to 1670. This is not absolute as some records are missing.
The Society received an enquiry some years ago; please scroll down to entry 31 on this page.
Combs/
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The
enquirer’s Combs ancestors lived in London in the 1700s.
DNA testing indicates Welsh, Scottish or Irish heritage.
Can the enquirer wear the MacThomas
tartan?
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Sennachie
advised that there is no legal restriction to wearing
any tartan. However, tradition and etiquette means that
wearers of Clan tartans should limit their choice to a
tartan that has a connection to a surname of an
ancestor. Some tartans have no connection to a Scottish
highland Clan.
Combs (or Comb) is a widely spread name in
the UK with a majority being English. There is no
apparent connection to the Clan MacThomas. However there
could be a connection where there has been a spelling
variation or where the Combs ancestor in the 1700s came
from the Scottish highland counties of Perthshire,
Aberdeenshire, Angus or
Kincardineshire.
McCoomb
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The
enquirer asked if the name McCoomb is related
to the MacThomas clan.
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Sennachie
advised that McCoomb is not a surname used in Scotland.
It appears to have been used only in Canada, USA and
Australia to a very limited extent. This is a clear
indication this surname is a spelling variation,
probably from McComb, which is a sept name of our
Clan.
Thomson
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The
enquirer’s grandparents Stanley Robert Thomson and Jean
Clark married in Scotland in 1957 and it is said their
Thomson line went back several centuries in
Aberdeenshire. DNA results indicate the ancestors came
from the NE of Scotland and the central
highlands. The enquirer asks if this indicates
a link to the Clan MacThomas?
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Sennachie
advised that if Thomson ancestors were born in the
counties of Perthshire, Fife, Aberdeenshire and
Kincardinshire then it is accepted there is a connection
to the Clan MacThomas. Descendants can join our Society.
Specific likely information was provided. Dont forget a
DNA test by ancestryDNA will give information about all
the enquirer's ancestors, not just the Thomson
line.
Thom
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The
enquirer's ancestor, John Thom, was baptised on 2nd
February 1740 in Elrick, Aberdeenshire. He married Jean
Taylor in Fife on 21st June 1769. She asks if this Thom
family is a Sept of the Clan MacThomas? If so, would
this mean that our Clan tartan is that of the MacThomas
Clan?
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Sennachie
advised that having a Thom ancestor from Aberdeenshire
is sufficient to have a connection to the Clan
MacThomas. In fact it is enough to have the surname Thom
with a Thom ancestor from Scotland.
There is
no official register of who belongs to which Clan. It is
all based on surnames and its even better to have an
ancestor from Scotland. Sometimes with certain surnames,
eg Thomson, a connection with an area in Scotland is
needed, but not so for Thom. This surname is only
associated with the Clan MacThomas.
In
regards to tartans, it is as simple as which tartan is
recognised by a Chief of the Clan as being the Clan
Tartan. There are two MacThomas tartans - the ancient
and the modern - for details see the web site - link.
It is
very important for the tartan to be as specified at the
bottom of the above page. Anyone can wear any tartan but
convention usually means that only those associated with
a particular Clan, wear that Clan's
tartan.
Thoms
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A member
asked for assistance in finding more about grandparents
Franz and Marie Thoms. They lived in Leba on the Baltic
Sea, where their five children were probably born,
before World War Two. Today Leba is in Poland. The
family probably moved to the Hessen area around WW2
where descendants live today.
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Sennachie advised that due to World War Two researching
German records can be difficult. The first step is to
contact relatives to find out what they know about the
Thoms family. Read a book on how to research genealogy
or look online for research advice, on web sites such as
familysearch.org. Visit
your local family history society. A good web site for
German research is https://www.genealoger.com.
Thom
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An
enquirer was about to visit Scotland for the first time
and asked for the Society's assistance in finding where
his grandfather James Robertson Thom (born c 1898) lived
in Scotland.
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Sennachie
advised that James was born in Gartly, Aberdeenshire
during the first quarter of 1898 to Walter Thom and Mina
Stephen. Walter and Mina were married in 1896 in Kelvin,
Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire. In the 1901 Census they are
living in Gartly.
Walter was born in
Auchindoir, Aberdeenshire in 1870, the son of James Thom
and Mary Baxter. James Thom was born in about 1835 in
Dunnottar, Kincardineshire, the son of John Thom and
Jane (Jean) Savage. John was also born in Dunnottar,
Kincardineshire in 1792.
Sennachie provided
some links about the above places in
case a visit to Aberdeenshire was
planned:
The Clan MacThomas
was based in the Glenshee area in Perthshire in the 17th
Century and a good number of the Clan migrated to
Aberdeen and in the County of Aberdeen.
Thom
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follower has asked for an image of the Thom Family
Crest
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Sennachie
advised that when a grant of arms is made it will
include a crest. For Scottish names such as Thom, grants
are made by the Lord Lyon of Scotland, an appointed
government official. Individuals with Scottish ancestry
can apply for a grant of arms from the Lord
Lyon.
A
grant of arms and crest belong to the person who
received the grant and no one else, not even his
children. They can apply for a grant which usually will
be based on their father’s. If the mother’s family has a
grant of arms, then parts of it may be incorporated in
the children’s arms (and crest). On the internet there
are two crests for Thom relating to Germany, one for
England; they may not be
connected. Thom is accepted as a sept of the Clan
MacThomas. The Chief of the Clan has a grant of arms,
including a crest - please click here to
view. The
crest badge can be purchased from the MacThomas Clan
Society, and worn by a person having a sept name. But it
is not a Thom family crest. Under Scottish law it
legally belongs to the Chief, and can be worn by
clansfolk as a form of recognition as connected to the
Clan MacThomas.
McCumber
McComber (USA) (081)
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researcher has been working hard to find his family
clan. Georgina McCumber, of Ontario, Canada, was his
great grandmother's (Beatrice Verna Raymond) mother, a
descendant of Constant Macomber, who fought in the
revolutionary war for the U.S. colonies. He has
been told that 'Macomber' comes from the Gaelic
'MacThomaidh', which I believe is Clan MacThomas. He
asks if this is correct?
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Sennachie responds that the surname
McCumber and McComber are not names connected to the
Clan MacThomas, and do not appear to be Scottish. Our
Clan has had enquiries before regarding these names and
variations - please click here to read
an article explaining this. The only way for the enquirer
to find out the origin of his McCumber ancestor is
to carry out family history research. Web sites
worldconnect and ancestry.com have several
McComber/McCumber trees. Please click here to read
a relevant Facebook page.
This member would like to hear from
other members with McComb ancestors who have had their
DNA tested. The member has been in contact with
several McComb men and formed three small groups based
on DNA results. She would like to make contact with
other McComb/McCombs who have had their DNA tested or
are interested in having their DNA tested, especially
members who have researched their family tree.
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If anyone
is interested in this enquiry and would like to make
contact with the enquirer, please contact our Sennachie,
or the webmaster.
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This member wishes to know more about
his Thomson ancestors. Some years ago a professional
researcher in Edinburgh reported that the member's
ancestors James Simpson and Janet Thomson lived in the
parish of Madderty, Perthshire in the late 16th century
and that their son, James, was born there in about 1797.
The member would be appreciate more information about
them and their parents .
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Sennachie
searched the parish records for Madderty on both
Scotlandspeople and Familysearch and both revealed that
an Anne Thomson married James Simpson in 1796 and that
this couple then had three children baptised at Madderty
- James in 1797, John in 1799 and Anne in 1801. The name
Janet was given on the death certificate of son James in
1869 by grandson James. Sennachie considers the evidence
now indicates Janet should be Anne Thomson. Sennachie
suggests that further research using Familysearch and
Scotlandspeople may reveal more.
McColm
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member wishes to know more about her McColm
ancestors. Thomas McColm is thought to have been born in
about 1830 in Londonderry, Ireland, the son of Hugh
McColm. Thomas married Mary Jane Burt in 1866 in
Wellington, NSW, Australia. Thomas’ son Thomas Edmund
McColm died in 1939 at Mosman,
NSW.
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Sennachie
suggested that the NSW marriage and death certificates
for Thomas should be obtained as they could reveal
information about his origins in Ireland and confirm the
names of his parents. The 1831 Irish Census on
familysearch.org revealed that a Hugh McColm was living
in Londonderry. If he lived beyond 1864 then his death
should be indexed in the civil records on the web site
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/. Irish records are difficult
to research because many were destroyed in 1922
“troubles”.
McCombs
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The
enquirer's ancestor, Andrew McCombs is said to have been
born in Wigtownshire, Scotland. Nothing is known beyond
Andrew's birth in about 1740. In early US records his
last name was on occasions spelt “MacKooms”. He
married Anna Hilts in New York in 1768. She asks if the
Society find more.
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Sennachie
noted that there are severals trees on Ancestry.com
and none of them have any further information
beyond Andrew. Also on familysearch.org there are three
Andrew McComb parish entries in Wigtownshire in the
1700's but none that can be linked to the
enquirer's Andrew. It would seem that the use of
MacKooms is a variation that started to be used only in
the US after Andrew’s arrival as this spelling does not
appear in old Scottish records, especially on the site
ScotlandsPeople. There are a number of options in
Scottish records as to the spelling of his surname such
as McComb, McCombs, Combe. As the name is a sept of
the Clan MacThomas, descendants of Andrew the enquirer
is entitled to become a member of the
Society.
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The
enquirer asked whether having a grandmother whose birth
name was Thomas qualifies to apply for membership of
Clan MacThomas? Her name was Annetta Thomas and she was
born in Stansfield, West Yorkshire on 3rd February 1849,
father Robert Thomas and mother Mary
Stansfield.
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Sennachie
advised that as Thomas is also a popular surname across
the UK, especially in Wales, there would be a need to
have a Thomas connection to the eastern highlands
counties of Scotland, especially Aberdeen, Perth, Fife,
and Kincardine. A search of census returns on the web
site familysearch.org revealed that in 1861 father
Robert Thomas, age 49, stated he was born in Rochdale,
West Yorkshire. Also this Robert was likely baptised on
30 July 1812, at nearby Todmorden, son of John and Betty
Thomas. More research is needed, as there is a
possiblity that an earlier Thomas may have come from
Scotland, but this will probably be difficult to prove
and perhaps unlikely.
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The
enquirer recently found the name of one of his ancestors
on a death certificate (for her daughter) that has her
name written as McChomays. He could only find that
name on www.electricscotland.com where they have it
attached to clan McThomas. It could not be found on any
reference anywhere else. It is assumed she lived and
died in Northern Ireland as her husband Francis Breen
was born and died in Northern Ireland, and all her
children were born in Northern Ireland. The enquirer
asked if Sennachie knows of any background that can help
him?
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Sennachie responded that it
is possible that surname McChomays originated from
a Clan sept name, maybe McComie. Sennachie has not come
across this name at all before. That means it is
not certain that there is a link to the Clan MacThomas.
It is likely that some surname websites try hard to link
a Scottish looking surname to a Clan by simply selecting
what they think is the most likely.
One of
the issues in American research is that of name changes.
Many immigrants on arrival could not read or write and
the officials recording details for them were usually of
English origin and had trouble understanding others,
such as people coming from Scotland. So they simply
wrote down an interpretation of what they heard. Then
this spelling continued to be used or even varied again.
Looking at possible variations, the “ay" could be "ie" -
McChomie. Then taking a step further it could be
Mchomie, and this is an old version within the Clan
MacThomas. It
is not possible to say with some certainty that
McChomays was Scottish or even if they came from
Scotland - “Mac” or “Mc” is not an absolute indicator
that they came from Scotland. They could from Ireland or
England.
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The
enquirer's grandfather is Robert McOmish and his wife
Margaret Queen. Paternal great-grandfather married a
McTaggart, and there is some suggestion of variations
McOmish and McComish. They lived in Glasgow and possibly
before that in Perthshire. Would like any further
information.
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Sennachie
suggested searching for McOmish births, marriages and
deaths on the official Scottish web site
scotlandspeople, then work backwards in time using such
records as census returns and wills. Also read the help
articles on scotlandspeople and the Clan’s web site.
McOmish is generally accepted in the world of Scottish
Clans as being a sept of the Clan MacThomas.
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A
follower of the Clan is trying to trace his ancestry.
Father Robert
Macleod Combe was born in Linlithgow near Edinburgh and
served as a
Lance Corporal in the British Commando No. 6
Battalion. His
father Robert Combe was the Town Clerk in Linlithgow. The family
emigrated to South Africa in 1961. The follower would appreciate any
pointers.
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Sennachie
responded by explaining that Combe is one of the sept
names of the
Clan, and that it is accepted if a person named Combe
has a link to
Scotland then there is a link to the Clan MacThomas.
The web site
Scotlandspeople is the official Scottish government
site where it is
recorded your father was born on 4th March 1923 and
that his father
was Robert Lincoln Combe. The web site Geni
(http://www.geni.com/) states that Robert Lincoln Combe was born
on 11th March 1879 and that his father is Thomas
Combe.
In
relation to middle given names it is common practice in
Scotland
for a baby to be baptised with one given name and for
the middle name
to be added some time later. It is likely that an
entry for a
Robert Combe in the 1891 Census recorded on the free
web site
familysearch.org, is relevant so Sennachie suggested
obtaining the
full family census entry from
scotlandspeople.
Further
research on these sites is recommended and it may be
useful to
contact or even join the West Lothian Family History
Society:-
http://www.wlfhs.org.uk
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The
enquirer would like information about their branch
of the family Combie as they are trying to put
together the Family history. They wants to
find out when and why ancestors Cumbie or Combie came to
the USA, as the family has been in the US for a long
time, and why the spelling of the name changed.
Some members used the name Combie at the time of the
Civil War. Research is ongoing.
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Sennachie noted that there are quite a lot
of Cumbie trees on ancestry.com and familysearch.org and not one has a link to Scotland. Only
one has indicated a spelling variation of Combie. What
evidence is there of a name change? This is
because the name Cumbie appears in England in the 1600s,
e.g., in Norfolk - more so than in Scotland. In Scotland
there appear to be Cumbie families in the lowlands. All
this indicates that Cumbie is likely to have no
connection with our Clan and that the US Cumbie
background has a greater chance of having English
connections rather than Scottish. It also casts doubt on
a name change from Combie, unless there is clear proof
this occurred. The main reason/explanation of a spelling
change is that when the emigrant arrived in the US the
officials recording early events, e.g. ministers, made a
best guess at how the surname was spelt. Finding a
change in one generation in the US at the time of the
Civil War is probably not sufficient proof.
******* As to where the first Cumbie came from in
the UK, assuming it is the UK, the answer will be in US
records, if at all. Those researching this name that
have recorded their trees on the internet appear not to
solve this. It should be noted that another
spelling variation is Cambie, especially in
England.
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A
Society member descended from David Comee who died at
Sudbury, Massachusetts USA in 1676 asked the Sennachie
to comment on his tree, which shows that this David is
David McComie, the son of Alexander, the 6th Chief of
the Clan MacThomas and his wife Margaret
Small.
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Sennachie has carried
out extensive research on-line and into published
material about the Clan's history and in particular the
6th Chief. As a result an article he has written is now
available on this website, which concludes that
David Comee, c1635-1676, is not the son of Alexander,
6th Chief, and his wife Margaret Small. The article can
be read by clicking here.
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However, descendants
of David Comee are accepted as clansfolk of the Clan
MacThomas.
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Prior to
visiting Scotland a member from the USA would like
to establish sites in Glenshee and Aberdeen where his
McComb ancestors could have lived according to
information on the Clan's web
site
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Sennachie
carried out some research on the internet and by
establishing that the Society's member's grandfather
George A McComb died in 1954 in Pennsylvania, was then
able to find trees of free sites such as worldconnect
and familysearch that take his ancestors back to General
James McComb who was born near Belfast in 1758. It may
be difficult to establish a link to Scotland although
the Clan is aware that McComb clansfolk did migrate from
Glenshee to Aberdeen to Ireland.
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The
enquirer's Grandfather was Alan Louis Thom, and his
father was John Robertson Thom (both born and married in
Scotland). John was born in 1889 in Dundee,
parents James Thom and Susan Lindsay Robertson. She
is interested to learn more about what our Society does
- such as events or committees. She also asks how
she can become a member of the Clan
Society?
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Sennachie
advised that Thom is the most common surname amongst
members of the Clan Society. The Clan Gathering
was held at Pitlochry, Scotland in late August
2014. Reports about the Gathering appear on the
Clan web site. The gathering is held every three
years. The Clan Society has three branches:
Australia, North America and Europe. Each Branch
has functions from time to time, although it should
appreciated that distance is an issue for a small
Clan like ours. There is a fair bit about activities on our
website, although more is revealed to members in the
secure areas. Also each member receives the
Society's magazine and newsletters.
**** Interestingly Sennachie could not find any
reference to John Robertson Thom on free sites on the
internet. But this could be his sister Davina's birth in
1891, on
To find
places in Scotland use Google and, for example, search
for "Dundee Scotland". Another useful search facility is
the wiki page on familysearch so click on the link below
and in the search box key in Dundee (or whatever) and
click enter
The
Society has received a number of enquiries about the
following surnames - Comber, Cumber, Macomber, Macumber,
Mcomber, Mcumber, McCumber, McCumber, MacComber,
MacCumber, MayComber, MayCumber. See previous enquiries
Numbers 8, 13, 26, 32, 35, 43,
50.
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Sennachie
has again researched this group of names and written an
article in which he concludes that not only is there no
connection to the Clan, there appears to be no
connection to Scotland in available records pre 1855.
The possible origin from written records is southern
England. To read Sennachie's article please click here.
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The
enquirer's grandfather on her father's side,
Hamilton Wesley Thom, studied geneology, and found out
that his relatives were part of Clan MacThomas,
and her father still has the clan tartan and
coat of arms that was passed on to him. The enquirer
hoped to learn a little bit more about the
family's past.
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Sennachie
advised that having the surname Thom means that our
Chief accepts that you have a connection with the Clan
MacThomas and that you may apply to join the Clan
MacThomas Society.
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In
looking at the information that the enquirer
provided, one of the first web sites to use is the free
site familysearch.org. This site reveals details
of four generations back from grandfather Hamilton
Wesley Thom. Perhaps the enquirer's grandfather's
papers will support this. Sennachie
suggests looking further at this site and
other sites such as http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com.
*****
One of
the challenges experienced by Americans researching back
in time is establishing the connection from America to
Scotland. Sennachie does not know if this has been done
with the enquirer's tree. Further
enquiries may reveal this.
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The
enquirer is looking for a Robert McCombs who was born in
about 1750; married a Margaret Wishard and lived in
Lincoln County, North Carolina, fought in the
Revolutionary War, and had a son named
William.
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Sennachie
advised that a general search on the internet revealed
nothing. He noted that others are researching this
family and have not been able to establish these
details. There are two trees on www.rootsweb.ancestry.com, and several trees on
familysearch at familysearch.org/family-trees. Also
there are possible ten trees on ancestry.com showing
they had up to seven children.
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The
enquirer sent his family history as far as he knows
back. He asks us to let him know if his
grand mother Elizabeth McColm is connected to the Clan
MacThomas.
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After
looking closely at the family tree Sennachie advised
that the surname McColm is a sept of the Clan MacThomas
and that anyone with that name and having ancestors born
in Scotland can claim to be connected to the Clan
MacThomas. ***** Sennachie asked if his
grandmother, Elizabeth McColm, had been born in
Scotland. He asked if her marriage certificate (to
George Woskett in 1914) provided details of where they
married and the names of their parents. Also her death
certificate may have useful information. If they married
in Scotland then its likely that both of them will be
recorded in the 1901 Scottish Census and the returns for
that census could be on the website
scotlandspeople.
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The
enquirer comes from Catalunya and recently found out
about the Comas surname in Scotland. He would like to
know more and, in particular, if there is any historical
link in the past between Scotland and
Catalonia.
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Sennachie
considers that it is more than likely that the
enquirer's surname has a Spanish background.
However there is a possibility that it is connected to
Scotland and the Clan MacThomas. One of the Clan
names, as seen on this web site, is McComas.
There are some instances, but not very many, where this
name has been recorded as Comas. As a test, a
surname search on the web site familysearch.org reveals
only a few instances of Comas.
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The only
way to test a connection to Scotland, or to another
location, is to carry out a standard family tree
research by going back in time from yourself, your
father, grandfather etc. This can be done by
obtaining birth, death and marriage details.
Sennachie knows little about researching family history
in Spain but you could try a local library and see if
they have any books on family history research.
Also on familysearch you will see a section on Spain, go
to:
As to a
link between Scotland and Spain in the past, Sennachie
is sure that back in the 17th and 18th, and even
earlier, some Scots did travel to
Spain.
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The
enquirer is trying to find out which Clan his family is
descended from. He can trace back from his grandfather
William Walker Thomson to the late 1700's to Alexander
Thomson in Lanarkshire. He has completed 111 markers of
DNA but has no real answers thus far. He asks if
the Society can help him?
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Sennachie
advised that as far as he is aware none of our Thomson
members have been tested. Also it is still early days
with DNA as there needs to be many more people tested
who have also carried out extensive genealogical
research. Our Chief will recognise a connection to the
Clan MacThomas if a person has an ancestor, say Thomson,
who was born in the eastern counties of the Scottish
highlands, especially, for example, Perthshire and
Aberdeenshire. I note your Thomson ancestors lived in
Lanarkshire. ***** Civil registration, ie
vital statistics, started in Scotland in 1855. Prior to
that it was up to the family if they wanted to have
their children baptised and in what church. The other
key record is a will but usually wills were only
prepared for people with property and that meant only a
small number. The same can be said of land records. So
for the likes of most of our Scottish ancestors, it is
usual to come to a dead end in the early 1800s or the
mid 1700s, simply because of the difficulty of lack of
information and the number of entries for the same name.
For example there are probably many babies born around
the late 1700s named Alexander Thomson and one is
probably your ancestor, but its impossible to say which
one. ***** A
search on the web site familysearch for the baptism of
an Alexander Thomson in Scotland between 1780 and 1805
gave over 5000 results. Many will be duplicates but it
does show the problem. If the search is restricted to
Lanarkshire there are over 800 results. This may be as
far as the research can go.
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The
enquirer can "prove" her ancestry back to David
Comee, born about 1635 in Aberdeen, captured by the
English and deported to Charlestown, in what is now
Masschusetts in 1652. It appears that his parents were
Alexander McComie and Margaret Small from Aberdeenshire.
From the Clan website, it appears that Alexander was the
6th Chief. Is there any way that she can verify that
information, and find out more about the earlier
generations in Scotland?
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Sennachie
advised that this enquiry is in the area of tradition
rather than fact. It is difficult to know what is right
and what is wrong. It is not known where son David of
Alexander (6th Chief) and Margaret McComie (née Small)
was born. It is more likely he was born somewhere around
modern day Glenshee, near the Spittal. In that area pre
1650s it is usual to find that the parish records are
not extant so there are no baptism, marriage and burial
records. This can be checked on sites such as
familysearch in their WIKI section for parishes such as
Glenisla, Forfar, Aberlemlo etc.
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The main
record where information comes from, and you see it in
the writings of Roger Pye, are records relating to land,
such as sasines and deeds. These can be found at the
National Archives of Scotland in Edinburgh (now known as
Scotlandspeople). They are quite difficult to use and
are not on the internet. ***** The formal surname used in the
official records such as sasines and deeds, in the early
days for the Chief's family was McIntosh (and variations
such as MacKintosh). The use of McComie and such was a
local custom at that time but slowly came to replace
McIntosh in the late 1600s early 1700s. ***** As to a connection
between the above David and the David deported to the
American colonies it is speculation and should not be
recorded as fact.
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The
enquirer wishes to learn more about his family
history in the United States and
overseas.
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Sennachie
suggested that the enquirer provides further details so
that some guidance can be provided. For example, has the
enquirer done any family history research? What is the
full name of his grandfather (or even his
great grandfather) McComas and his wife, the year he was
born and where, when and where they married. A
reasonable "guess" is all that is needed at this
stage. ***** Having the surname McComas, our
Chief accepts that unless the name has been assumed at
some time, there is automatically a connection to the
Clan McThomas. That is, it is not necessary to prove by
research back to Scotland that there is a connection to
the Clan.
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The
enquirer has recently started researching his
family history, having been brought up to believe that
he is a Scottish Thomas. He has traced the line
back to Alexander William Thomas, born Hackney 1792
(approximately), parents possibly Alexander Thomas and
Margaret Ogilvy married at St Leonard's Shoreditch 1792,
with Alexander born in Perth on 16 October 1765. Are
Alexander's roots in the Clan MacThomas, and is he
possibly descended from one of those clansmen who
relocated in the 17th century? Does the Clan know
of an Alexander Thomas who moved to London in the late
17th/early 18th centuries? Any points that you might be
able to give would be most gratefully
received.
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Sennachie
advised he knew of no details of any particular
family/person connected with the Clan moving from Clan
territory to the London area. Most of the early
emigration movements are not detailed but are more about
oral history in broad terms. People in those days could
move around the British Isles without needing to have
"permission" or to even record it. Sometimes such
movements are recorded in family records but not very
often and then one has to find the record. Perhaps over
time and as more comes onto the internet more may be
found. ***** It
is a big leap from London to
Perthshire. The enquirer's Alexander Thomas
could have been born in Wales or England as a search
reveals possible baptism entries there too.
Perhaps the assumption that he is Scottish is
questionable. However the one thing that just might
solve all this is DNA. But even then DNA for family
history purposes is in its early stages as many more
people need to do it so there is a large data base to
compare results.
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The
enquirer's father's surname was McCombie and he
died when the enquirer was young. He would
like to know more about his family
history.
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Sennachie
suggested the enquirer should read the article
'Beginning your family history' on the Clan web site
(link) and
borrow "how to" books from the local public library. He
should also obtain his father's death certificate.
If he knows the names of his grandfather
McCombie and his wife, where and when they were born,
married and died then that is a good point to start.
Join the local family history society or historical
society as they should be able to help. When the
enquirer gets back a few generations he may
find that his family has already been researched
and their tree recorded on the internet on free sites
such as rootsweb and
familysearch.
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The
enquirer is trying to find relatives of his branch
of the Thoms family. Robert Thom was born in Perthshire
in 1756, married an Isabel or Isobel Scot, had children,
one being a William who married a Martha Hueston or
Horton, having a son Louis Broadwell Thoms born in 1841
probably already in the US, who had a son Louis
Broadwell Thoms, born in 1901, the enquirer's
grandfather of Cincinatti and New York. He
has found hints to marriage, births and deaths, the
family was somehow linked to Blairgowrie and Rattray.
There could be a connection to a William Thoms who died
in 1843 and whose sons from the fist marriage changed
their names to Thoms. Any information or hints would be
appreciated.
R
Sennachie
observed that the enquirer had data on ancestry.com and therefore had
research experience as also indicated in the
enquiry. The following may have already been
researched. Nothing was found amongst available
members' records of a connection to Robert Thom and
Isobel Scot. As far as research in Scotland is
concerned, the free website familysearch.org is very
useful, and then the pay site scotlandspeople.gov.uk. Sometimes the free site
freecen (census returns) can be useful www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl. Always
have a look for family trees on sites such as
familysearch and rootsweb's worldconnect - wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ .
Here are some other
links that may be useful: archive.org/stream/dartmouthcolleg00unkngoog/
(If
any of these links fail to work please paste into your
browser).
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The
enquirer was looking for information about the MacCombie
sept. She believed that it was a sept of Clan
MacThomas, but found that, according to
this website, it is not. She asked
for any further information.
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Sennachie
was puzzled by the enquirer saying the surname MacCombie
is not a sept of the Clan MacThomas. In fact our web
site clearly indicates it is. Even though it is listed
only as McCombie on our home page it also means
MacCombie is included. On the Clan Septs page under The
Clan there is a sentence stating 'The
prefixes "Mc" and "Mac" are interchangeable'. The
website Home page has now been amended to indicate
this.
An article about
the name McCombie can be found on our website - to read
click here.
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The
enquirer's Grandfather, John McCombie, and his family
migrated over 50 years ago to Australia. He was from
Aberdeenshire and the family tree has been traced to the
7th Century. The grandfather mentioned a family castle
"Balfluig" which was sold in the last century. The
enquirer would appreciate any information from
Scotland.
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Sennachie advised that there is much
information about the Clan in Scotland on the Clan's
website, although some of it is in the secure part of
the website for members only. McCombie is one of the
larger sept names within the Clan and there is some
interesting material on people who have this surname.
In
relation to Balfluig Castle there is information on the
internet, such as the following sites:
The Sennachie requested the enquirer to
come back to him if there are any further
questions or additional information is required. He
also suggested that she might like to consider
joining the Society.
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The
enquirer's great grandmother was a Thompson
but he is not clear on a connection to the
Clan McThomas. Also his great grandfather was a
Thomas. He guesses that he has a lot of
studying to do. He would like to learn
more.
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Sennachie
advised that Thompson is an English surname although
these days the name can be found in just about any
English speaking country, including Scotland. There is
no link to the Clan MacThomas. However there are cases
where there has been a spelling change from Thomson to
Thompson, generally soon after the first generation has
settled in America. But this needs to be proved by
research. Turning to Thomas. This is a very
popular surname having a strong presence in Wales,
England and Scotland. This again means that, as the
enquirer has recognised, there needs to be
research into the family tree to see the
origins of the great grandfather. To have a connection
to the Clan MacThomas, his ancestors will need to have
lived in the eastern highland counties of Scotland. See
elsewhere within the Genealogy Section of this site for
advice on researching your family
history.
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The
enquirer's 3rd great grandfather was Andrew Thomson
born in Bosfield, Scotland May 10, 1803. His parents
were Thomas Thomson and Agnes Fleming Robertson (as
recorded in research done in 1975). The enquirer regrets
that he have found no information on them. The family
including 7 boys and 2 girls moved to Quebec, Canada in
1821. The birth records for all the children show the
surname as Thomson. All future records of marriages or
deaths in Canada show the name Thompson. The reason for
the name change is not known. The enquirer has been
working on genealogy for sometime and decided to
see which clan Thomson was part of. He indicates that
any insight that the Sennachie could provide
would be greatly
appreciated.
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Sennachie
advised that where there is doubt about records online,
then it is essential to examine a copy of the original
document, for example, the marriage of Thomas Thomson
and Agnes Fleming at East Kilbride, Lanarkshire, in 1799
as this couple appear to be the parents of Andrew
baptised in 1803. Also it could be worthwhile looking at
the original of Andrew's baptism. It will probably be
difficult to connect this family to a Thomson family
living earlier in the eastern highland counties, and
therefore establish a link to the Clan. The websites to
use are familysearch.org and scotlandspeople.
The use
of the name Robertson in the 1975 research report is a
puzzle. Perhaps it is Agnes' mother's maiden name and
added later. Or it simply could be an
error?
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The
enquirer's earliest known ancestor is John Thomson who
married Margaret Constable at Fowlis Easter near Dundee
on the 20th of June 1717. Family lore has it that the
Thomsons came from Auchterhouse before that. As far as
he can work out he would be a 9th generation member of
the above John Thomson. He would be very interested to
find out if there is a connection to the MacThomas
Clan.
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Sennachie
commented that getting back to the early 18th century is
an excellent result. A check of some web sites, such as
familysearch, gencircles and worldconnect, did not
reveal any new information or others researching this
family. Although familysearch shows what looks like
Margaret's baptism, taking John back further looks
difficult. It is about that time the parish registers
start and the use of surnames become reasonably common.
To go further back one needs to link into a landed
family so that their names get recorded in such records
as deeds. To prove a link to a Clan family is unusual
and it is because of this that our Chief accepts a
connection if, in a family tree, there is a sept name,
such as 'Thomson', that has a connection to the highland
counties in the east of Scotland. Certainly the enquirer
would be welcome to join our Society.
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The
enquirer understands that people of Clan Thomas linage
lived in German communities in the 1800's. Her
grandmother was Elizabeth Thome, born in August 1875 in
Munchen(Munich), a German settlement in South Russia,
(Ukraine), daughter of John Thome and Susanna (Hacker
Man) Thome. She was told that Thome is a Germanic
spelling of Thomas, also spelled Thoma. She asks if
there are records of people of Clan Thomas linage living
at that time and location? If so, she offers
to send additional information and inquire about
Clan MacThomas membership.
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Sennachie was unaware of anyone making a
connection from a Thome living in Germany and having
been born in Scotland. That is not to say it could not
have happened centuries ago; it could have, but not yet
have been found.
An
issue for the enquirer is that, if Thome is a
variation of Thomas, then as this name has been
used throughout the UK, especially in Wales, it is only
accepted there is a connection to the Clan MacThomas
where a Thomas ancestor was born in the eastern highland
counties of Scotland. Also it is possible that in some
cases the use of the name Thome started in
Germany.
A
search on familysearch.org for the surname Thome (exact) born
Scotland, residence Scotland results in 1004 hits,
mostly in the 1600's and 1700's. Thome could have been
recorded as such because many ministers used Latin. It
would seem that the Scottish people named Thome dropped
the "e" in the 1700s on. Although this could be a result
of English being the accepted language for official
purposes. A search on this site for Thome, born
Scotland, died/residence Germany revealed nothing.
A
search on the web site worldconnect for Thome born
Scotland got two results, both no connection to Germany.
A search on ancestry.com for Thome born Scotland got 36 hits. But a
search for Thome born Scotland, died Germany got zero
hits.
Sennachie concluded that someone born Thome
in Scotland could have moved to Germany but no one has
yet to make this
connection.
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The
enquirer is researching the family of his maternal
grandmother, who kept a family tree made in 1890, dating
back to 1700 (with the birth of William Thomson of
Glasgow). His son James was of the Thomsons who came to
Pennsylvania, then Kentucky, and Indiana. They left from
Donegal/Londonderry, Ireland. He would like to know
how he might trace this American family line back
to the Thomsons of Ayr or Glasgow and possibly back to
Glenshee. He asks if he is right to imagine
that there would be hundreds of Thomson lowland
connections to the Clan MacThomas?
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Sennachie
replied that in the 17th century and before the chance
of appearing in any records usually depended upon your
status. For example, if your family owned land
(and very few people did) then land transactions, deeds
and wills are a source to check. If William was of
the lower class then he is probably only recorded in
parish registers, and even then that may not have
happened. Many parish registers extant start from around
this time. For example the Glenisla parish
registers (Clan territory) start in 1719.
Also it was usual for
ministers to record in their parish registers only the
basic information about the event, be it baptisms,
marriages and burials. So this makes it very
difficult to link a person to an earlier generation.
Many clansfolk moved from Glenshee, most probably when
the Clan became dormant around the late 1600s.
Many would have started using surnames for the first
time when they moved to population centres. There
was no requirement to record such movements or use of
surnames.
It was also the time
when people changed their surname and this change was
not required to be recorded. The enquirer
is right to assume at that time there were many
named Thomson but as to their prior origins, who is to
say. Our Chief likes people to show through research
that they have a connection, first to Scotland, and
second to an eastern highland county, especially when
the name is Thomas or Thomson.
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A number
of enquiries have been received in recent years asking
if Macumber is a spelling variation of a Clan
name.
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Sennachie
replied that he is not aware Macumber is linked to the
Clan, nor for that matter Macomber. The opposite is a
strong possibility as both names are recorded in church
registers in southern England in the 17th century, even
as early as 1615. A search of the following sites
reveals that the name does not appear in early Scottish
records - scotlandspeople, ancestry and familysearch. A
search of family trees on rootsweb and ancestry reveals
many people are researching Macumber and Macomber and
there are links to England rather than Scotland. Also
present in England in many numbers are Cumber and
Comber, indicating that the origins of all the above
names being in England. Also see number 43
below.
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In the
course of my research the enquirer found an ancestor,
Matthew Tomb, who emigrated to the US from County
Antrim, Northern Ireland. Some of his cousins spelt
their name Thom so can only assume they were pronounced
the same. The enquirer asks if Tomb is a variant of
Thom, perhaps changed upon settlement in Northern
Ireland? He assumes that would then give me a connection
to Clan MacThomas.
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The
Society replied that Ulster (back in the day) did
have significantly more Scots than Irish. Most of the
Scots that were sent to Ireland by the King were from
the lower west coast of Scotland. Surname research
validates that Tomb in Scotland is found to be more
prevalent in the Scottish Lowlands. Clan
MacThomas is a centuries-old offshoot of Clan MacIntosh.
The Clan founder was a younger son of the MacIntosh Clan
chief, Thomas. Upon reaching adulthood, Thomas decided
to set off on his own, taking his family and certain
followers over the Grampians in Perth. The Clan
descendants were historically found east of the
Grampians, in Perth, Angus/Forfar and Fife.
At
this time the Society is unable to verify
a connection to the surname Tomb. Research suggests
that your relative most likely hailed from the Scottish
Lowlands, and not the eastern Highlands. If a
connection can be found to the east side of Scotland
then the Sennachie would be willing to
assist the enquirer in determining a connection to the
Clan.
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The
enquirer is researching her husband's family tree and is
interested in the migration of Thomson and its history
throughout Scotland. James Thomson was a teacher from
Banffshire, for the Society in Scotland for Propagation
of Christian Knowledge. She asks where they
would have originally come from? Also would
they be related to the Glenshee Thomsons? She
would welcome any information.
R
Sennachie
advised that Thomson is a very popular name in Scotland.
Many Thomsons come from Argyll in the west of Scotland
and are likely to be originally MacTavishes, some are
from the Borders Region with England and are not
affiliated to a Highland Clan. Only those people whose
ancestors come from the counties are Perthshire, Angus,
Fife, Aberdeen and Kincardineshire, are likely to be
MacThomases. Banff is close to these counties so
there is a chance that your James or the generation
before could be from one of the above, especially as a
teacher tends to move to where needed.
Only
research on your Thomson line will reveal earlier
locations. This is especially important for the
sept name Thomson in view of its popularity. He asks if
the enquirer has used the sites worldconnect and
familysearch.org.
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The
enquirer is researching the ancestry of her grandfather,
Alexander Mitchell Thom. His father was James Thom
who married Mary Baxter at Auchindoir in 1864, and his
grandfather was John Thom who married Jane
Barclay. Her grandfather stayed in Manatoba with a
Thom relative who was either a Minister or Missionary
who had been to Africa. Since she does not know their
given name she has hit a wall on her
research. She asks if the Sennachie can suggest
some avenues for research.
R
Sennachie
noted that several researchers on rootsweb's
worldconnect site are researching this family; perhaps
they can assist. Many missionaries and/or
ministers of religion, had a university degree.
So she could try searching alumni of UK
universities, for example St Andrews, Cambridge,
Oxford. As an example, Arthur Murray Thom
graduated from Cambridge, became a missionary, served in
Africa, but, it seems, did not go to Canada.
Wikipedia's site List of Christian missionaries, may
also be useful. Sennachie suggested that she could
use her search engine to see if any missionaries
served or lived in Manatoba.
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The
enquirer has been tracing her family history back from
her grandfather Billy Ray Thomason, and was woundering
if there were ways to find out more information
from clan records. She remembers being told as a
youngster about the clan. It seemed like a fairy
tale. She is now Billy's oldest living grandchild and
wants to trace the family's ancestors for younger
generations. She asks how she can go about
this.
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Sennachie
advised that he was unaware that Thomason has a
connection to the Clan MacThomas. Searching the
internet reveals the name generally does not appear in
the eastern highland counties of Scotland. Note that it
is present in England and the Shetland Islands. There is
a Rootsweb mailing list for Thomason and that list, over
the years, has not raised the possibility of a
connection to the Clan MacThomas. The distribution of
Thomason is also confirmed by searching the site:
http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/default.aspx
There is
some misleading information on the internet relating to
the sept names of the Clan. Thomason may originate from
the name Thomas which is a sept name of the Clan.
However, Thomas is a common name, especially in Wales.
To be linked to the Clan, Thomason needs to have origins
in the eastern highland counties of Scotland.
Research
needs to be conducted along standard lines as advised in
any good "how to" book or internet sites such as
familysearch.
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The
enquirer's ancestor is said to be Bertha Thoms; born in
1859 in Grossbetov (?), Scotland; married Ernst Schultz
and died in Kreigerwald (?), Germany in 1918. She
would like to know more about Bertha, where she was born
and the Thoms family history.
R
Sennachie
advised that the website Scotlandspeople indicates there
were no Thoms births in Scotland in 1859. Nor did he
find any Bertha Thoms born about 1859, or a
Schultz/Thoms marriage, by doing a general search.
That means the enquirer needs to start at the
start. First step would be to read about research
generally and in Germany and Scotland in particular;
perhaps by going to familysearch.org. Then standard
research should lead to obtaining Bertha's marriage and
1918 death certificates from Germany. These two
certificates, hopefully, may clarify her name and place
of birth,as there is a possibility her surname may not
be Thoms.
The
enquirer would like to learn more about his great great
grandfather Robert Thom who immigrated from Scotland to
Canada sometime before World War I. He mentions that the
1910 Canadian Census reveals six Robert Thom entries
with only one coming from
Scotland.
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Sennachie
advised the enquirer to read a basic book (or online)
about family history research in Canada as it is not
possible to research with the limited information
provided. If possible, the enquirer should first
establish the names of Robert's parents and the locality
where they lived in Scotland from records in Canada,
possibly by obtaining his Canadian marriage and death
certificates. As an indicator of this challenge, the
website ScotlandsPeople
revealed that there were 34 births of a Robert Thom from
1890 to 1900. Also the enquirer should speak to his Thom
relatives as they may be able to add new
information. If Robert was in the armed forces, his
enlistments papers may reveal more, for example, a good
website is the Library and Archives Canada page for
Soldiers of WWI (Link).
Two
websites that may assist are Emigration to Canada (Link) and the
Canadian section of Cyndislist (Link).
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The
enquirer's family name Macomber has been traced to
England in the mid 1600's. It seems likely to be of
Scottish origin though he can't be sure. He asks if
there is any evidence that Macomber is of the MacThomas
clan? He is contemplating a DNA test. He advises that he
has gone ahead and ordered a kilt in the modern
MacThomas tartan and wonders if he has the right to wear
it?
R
Sennachie
advised that as yet there is no indication anyone
researching Macomber (and variations such as Macumber)
has made a definite connection to Scotland. It could be
so, but difficult. On the website worldconnect some
trees indicate ancestor John Macomber comes from
Inverness. If this is so then there is still no positive
link to the Clan MacThomas counties. But please see a
discussion on this name at: members.iphouse.com/jim.smilanich/Family/Sources/
stackpole_name.htm There
are responses below to other Macomber enquiries -
numbers 8, 13, 26, 32 and 35. The
enquirer's Macomber family in England may have
originated from one male who settled in England from
Scotland in the 16th or 17th centuries. But then again
it may be a surname someone in England started to use.
There are a number of people in the US researching
this name, and variations, so using DNA can be useful
when a group having a similar name exchange their
results. In relation to wearing a tartan, anyone can
wear any tartan they like. The problem occurs when the
wearer says with certainty it is his/her clan, when it
may not be so.
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The
enquirer asked if her husband's Thomson ancestors are
part of Clan MacThomas. His grandfather emigrated
from North Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland, and has
managed to track his family back to 1776 where they
were still in Ronaldsay.
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The
Sennachie advised that Thomson is a very popular surname
in Scotland and elsewhere, both now and in the past.
This makes linking a particular Thomson family to the
Clan difficult. Our Chief has said that "Thomson
is a very popular name in Scotland. Many Thomsons come
from Argyll in the west of Scotland and are likely to be
originally MacTavishes, some are from the Borders Region
with England and are not affiliated to a Highland Clan.
Only those people whose ancestors come from the counties
in Eastern Scotland mentioned above are likely to be
MacThomases" - namely Perthshire
and Angus (and later Fife, Aberdeenshire and
Kincardineshire).
To
accept a Thomson as a member we would like to see a
connection to one of these counties. People have
lived in the Orkneys for many centuries, so the
family's Thomson line could go way back. More
research could prove useful, although it is understood
that going back further may be
difficult.
The
Sennachie suggested contacting someone in the
Orkney's for advice. The following website may be
useful.
The
enquirer asked how it is determined whether the
Thomas name is part of MacThomas or not? Her
husband has been wearing my tartan, Menzies, but would
really like his own. His grandfather sung songs to him
in Gaelic as a child, as far as we knew he was Welsh. He
has traced his grandfather to the ship that sailed from
Scotland to the States.
R
Sennachie
advised that the surname Thomas is associated with the
Clan mainly because a number of the Chiefs used this
surname, namely the 10th, 11th and 12th Chiefs - please
click here for
details.
At that
time the use of surnames was becoming the accepted way
to identify a person, and many of the Clan followers
would also have taken the surname Thomas. The Chief
accepts that there is a connection to the Clan if
someone with the surname Thomas today, has ancestors who
were born in the eastern highlands of Scotland, eg, the
counties of Aberdeen, Perth, Fife, Kincardine.
From the 1600's people started moving to live elsewhere
in Scotland and for a Thomas who lived other than in the
eastern highlands, hopefully research may prove that
they were a family who moved from there.
Did
the shipping records indicate where grandfather Thomas
came from, ie, a place in Scotland? Did he come
with other members of the family? Are there
records in the US that may indicate his birth place,
such as his marriage (if occurred in the US), an
obituary in a newspaper? Perhaps cousins may
recall something.
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The
enquirer asked whether the Society have any
information about his ancestor Jean (Jan) Tam who
came to the Netherlands in about 1730; he was a Scottish
soldier in the Dutch army?
R
Sennachie
advised that Tam is the most uncommon name within
the Society and in Scotland today. A general search of
the internet did not reveal anything. Most parish
registers in Scotland start after 1730. Websites to
research include familysearch.org and
scotlandspeople.
Thomson(NZ)
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The
enquirer is interested in linking his Thomson
ancestors to the Clan. He has researched back to 1797
with links to Woodside and the Parish of Old Machar in
Aberdeenshire, where they resided until migrating to New
Zealand in about 1870.
R
Sennachie advised that other than
establishing a link to the Chief's ancestors, it is
difficult to establish an actual name link to the Clan.
Therefore, in the case of Thomson, the Chief accepts a
link to the Clan if a Thomson ancestor was born in the
eastern highland counties of Scotland. This means that
the enquirer would be entitled to join the
Society. Sennachie gave some general research advice
including checking for Scottish related websites at
Cyndislist - www.cyndislist.com/uk/sct.
Thomas
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The
enquirer's maiden name is Thomas. Her family
settled in central Alabama, United States
though she does not know when. They have
worshipped as Presbyterians for generations. She noticed
the notation that stated some Thomas' may not be members
of the MacThomas clan. She would like to know if my
family is part of the heritage they claim and was
wondering if someone could point me in the direction of
some good resources. She would like to know if the
Thomas's that settled in Alabama are related
to the MacThomas clan.
R
Sennachie
advised that the Society accepts an association with the
Clan if one of your Thomas ancestors was born in the
highlands of eastern Scotland. Thomas, of course,
is very common in Wales. First step is to check
what records you have as the starting point in going
back in time starts with you. Then check with members of
your extended family to see what they know and you may
even find a cousin who has already done some
research. Construct a family tree based on what
you know and have learnt from family members.
To help
you learn about researching, there are some articles on
the Society's website (link).
Go to your local public library and see what they hold
on family history, especially "how to" books.
There are lots of free websites that could have useful
data and provide guides to researching, for example:
familysearch.
You could join a local family history or historical
society.
An
interesting site to see where names are located in the
UK is
The
enquirer had looked at websites to establish the origins
of her surname McCombs, including the Clan Society’s
website where she found McComb but not McCombs.
Some sites state that McCombs is part of the Clan
MacThomas. Any information on the origin
of her surname would be
appreciated.
R
Sennachie
advised that many sites giving information about the
origin of surnames, tend to take the easy way out,
because the compilers want to provide simple and short
answers. If you search for McCombs in
familysearch.org, you will find that there are very few
results indicating a link to Scotland, let alone to the
highland's eastern counties. And a similar result
is obtained by searching gbnames.publicprofiler.org
(Link) A spelling variation could be
involved. Many names were changed at the time of
settling in a new country or soon after arrival. Trace
your family tree back from yourself, perhaps
concentrating on your McCombs line and see if you can
establish where your McCombs ancestor came
from.
Thomas
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The
enquirer is trying to find out whether he have the right
to wear the MacThomas tartan and has no idea where to
start. His Grandfather was Scottish and a Thomas. He
asked what the correct way to find out would
be.
R
Sennachie
advised that the Clan MacThomas will accept a connection
to the Clan if a Thomas ancestor was born in one of the
highland counties of east Scotland. There is some
good information about researching your family history
on the Clan web site, in particular click here. Write down what you know
about your parents in relation to the birth details, and
what you know about your grandparents. Then you should
talk to other family members that may be able to add
information. If you would like to research your family
history further, visit your local public library and
borrow a family history research "how to" book and take
it from there. Such books will also advise on how best
to use the internet. Another useful opportunity is to
join a local family history
society.
Macomber
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The
enquirer is trying to determine if his surname
'Macomber' is considered a sept of the Clan MacThomas.
He will be travelling to Scotland in August 2012, and
would very much like to carry out genealogy research
whilst visiting.
R
Sennachie
advised that it is not possible to link this name to the
Clan or even to Scotland. The enquirer's family may
have come from England or possibly Ireland. The prefixes
Mc or Mac do not automatically indicate a Scottish
connection. Please read the three enquiries about this
name below. If this has not already been
done, research back to the first settler in the USA, to
see what the records says about his origins. The problem
is that early USA records are likely not to reveal the
necessary information.
McComas
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The
enquirer is researching his last name but seems to be
hitting a wall when it comes to the "origins" of the
name and has made a promise to speak the language of his
origins but does not know if it is Irish, Scottish or
whatever?
R
Sennachie advised that the Chief will
accept a person with the surname McComas as having a
past link with the Clan in Scotland. This name is
not associated with any other Scottish Clan. If not
already done so, research the family history in America
and try to establish the earliest McComas ancestor there
and hopefully find out where he came from or where was
he born (both may be difficult). There are a
number of websites that show information about the
origins of this name. A good site to search is: www.familysearch.org. It
is likely that the country of origin is either Scotland
or Ireland. With Ireland many Scots settled there
in the 1500s and 1600s but it is difficult to find
specific records proving a particular McComas in Ireland
came from Scotland. However it is usually accepted
that this happened.
Watt
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The
enquirer is researching the 71st Fraser Regiment
1775-1784. There was an exhibition in 1889 where a
number of military items of the 71st belonging to Lt
Thomas Watt were loaned by Sheriff Thoms. He asked if
there was a will of Sheriff Thoms that might show
more about these items.
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Sennachie
advised that the 15th Chief was Patrick Hunter Thoms and
he married Grace Watt. Their first son George McThomas
Thoms, Sheriff of Dundee, was the 16th Chief. Their
second son was Thomas Watt Thoms. Lt Thomas Watt
was likely to be a relative, possibly Grace's
father. The Chief's tree can be viewed on this
website - link. And
a tree for the Watt family on ancestry.com - link. Wills
are indexed on the Scotlandspeople website. An index of
Clan names extracted from the wills index can be viewed
under Genealogy - MacThomas Data on this website, and
while Patrick's will is listed, George does not appear
in the index.
Maycumber
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The
enquirer is trying to trace the origins of his last
name. He has read that Maycumber is a variation of
McCombie but the spelling and pronunciation changed
after coming to the USA. He asks if the Society have any
information about this?
R
Sennachie
has not heard of the surname Maycumber, especially
within the Clan. Maycumber does not appear as a
surname outside of the USA, indicating the spelling of
the name was probably varied after the
enquirer's ancestor arrived in the US. It
could well be a spelling variation of
McCombie. Is there any evidence of
where the Maycumber ancestor came from?
Please see the research suggestions mentioned in other
enquiries below.
McComas
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The
enquirer is researching her paternal great grandmother
who was a McComas. The family history is back to 9th
great grandfather Daniel Alexander McComas who emigrated
from Scotland to Maryland, US in 1693. There is a story
on ancestry.com that he was Captain of the
Guard at Edinburgh and escaped Scotland with a price on
his head with 55 others though there is no documentation
to confirm this. If this is true, however, then its
likely that the family is of Clan MacThomas and not of
Clan Gunn which also claims McComas as a sept, perhaps
connected to Thomaidh Mor. Any advice on establishing a
link to the Clan MacThomas would be
appreciated.
R
Sennachie explained that the problem,
common amongst Americans having Scottish ancestry, is
that many cannot make the link between America and
Scotland as the early records don't give any clues.
Hence assumptions are made that are most likely
incorrect. Sennachie could not say whether the story of
the Captain of the Guard, is true. Perhaps a search of
the National Archives of Scotland online documents may
assist.
Now
turning to the McComas link to the two Clans - Gunn and
MacThomas. Our Chief accepts a link to the Clan
MacThomas if someone with an ancestor bearing a Clan
sept name has origins in the Highland counties on the
mid north east of Scotland, eg: Perthshire, Aberdeen
Shire, Kincardineshire, Fife and Angus. The Clan Gunn is
based in the Orkneys and some of the close by northern
counties, hence quite different if one can find evidence
of origin.
Of all
the sons of our 7th Chief, John McComie, it has been
proved that only Angus, the youngest and 10th Chief, had
male descendants. Until recently it was thought that
Thomas did not marry. But recently, on the National
Archives of Scotland website, we found evidence he had
married. To date there is no evidence Thomas and his
wife had children. Also the surname McComas has not been
used by any generations in the Chief's
line.
Sennachie also explained that not all
people with Clan surnames will be related to the Clan
Chiefs. Any person could be part of the Clan in the
early days by simply acknowledging loyalty to the Chief
and be a follower. This is one of the reasons why most
Clans have a number of septs.
Comee
(USA)
(030)
Added 24/12/11
Q
The
enquirer's Grandfather was a Comey and she had long
known her family decended from David Comee who came to
America in the mid 1600’s. She stumbled upon our website
about the McCombie Clan and especially John McComie (7th
chief) who she believes was David’s father. Any
information would be appreciated.
R
Sennachie accepts that its more than likely
that Comey was Comee, was Comie, and probably linked to
a Clan name. He asks if the enquirer has evidence that
the line originated in Scotland other than drawing this
conclusion from David's name. Many researchers have
looked at the family of our 7th Chief John McComie or as
recorded in official documents John McIntosh, and the
conclusion is that he did not have a son David. There
are documents of his time that state who were his sons,
and they are those listed on our website. At that time
followers of the Chief of a Clan could and did take the
surname of a Chief. It could be this is the case of
David or his ancestors. Also the 7th Chief had a great
uncle David, who would have been born in the mid 1500s.
Perhaps the enquirer's David was a grandson of this
David. It will be quite difficult to obtain proof as
there are no parish registers of that time. One needs to
depend on documents such as those found on the website
of the National Archives of Scotland (link).
Thom
(USA)
(029)
Added 30/11/11
Q
This
enquirer has been trying to establish a connection to
the MacThomas Clan. He has hit a "brick wall" around
1780 as from that year his Thom ancestors were weavers
in the Dumfries area. He notes that the "The History of the Clan MacThomas" book states there was a Thom group in
Dumfries for at least 400 years. He requested advice on
how to proceed.
R
Sennachie advised the member that the Chief
accepts that anyone with surname Thom having a
connection to Scotland is likely to be connected to the
Clan and that their descendants can join the Clan
Society. There are three main reasons for not making a
link to the Glenshee area: Firstly surnames of Clan
members changed over time, and a clear example of this
is the Chief's ancestors - MacIntosh to MacComie,
Thomas, Thoms, MacThomas. Secondly because of lack of
parish registers pre 1700's. Thirdly, when one gets back
to the 1700's there are usually a number of people with
the same names in a parish.
As the enquirer had read in the Chief's
book the Clan was centred in Glenshee and Glenisla, but
because of political disruption in the late 1600's
members of the Clan dispersed around Scotland. This
could be done, without leaving a paper trail showing a
link between the new location and the Clan district. You
can see the spread of Clan names in searching sites such
as familysearch.org. Maybe one day information may become
available through the ease of accessing the internet
that may help to make the
connection.
Thom
(USA)
(028)
Added 30/11/11
Q
A member
asked for advice on researching back in time from his
ancestor George Thom, born Stonehaven, Aberdeenshire, in
1780. George married Elizabeth Richardson and died in
London in 1815.
R
Sennachie
suggested searching a number of websites, especially
Scotlandspeople. It is interesting that George and
Elizabeth used the names Richardson, Abercrombie, Fraser
and Ogilvie as middle given names for several of their
children. As these are likely to be the surnames of
earlier ancestors then look for marriages involving
these surnames. The Sennachie found a George Thom
marrying an Elizabeth Richardson on 7th April 1787 in
Kincardine so the birth of George in 1870 may be the
wrong person.
Thomason
(USA)
(027)
Added 30/10/11
Q
An enquirer asked if there is a connection
of the name Thomason to the Clan. He had found that some
internet sources indicate a
link.
R
Sennachie
is unaware of a connection. Searching the internet
reveals the name generally does not appear in the
eastern highland counties of Scotland. Note that it is
also present in England and the Shetland Islands. There
is a Rootsweb mailing list for Thomason and that list,
over the years, has not raised the possibility of a
connection to the Clan MacThomas. The distribution of
Thomason is also confirmed by searching the site
There is
some misleading information on the internet relating to
the sept names of the Clan. Thomason may originate from
the name Thomas which is a sept name of the Clan.
However, Thomas is a common name, especially in Wales.
To be linked to the Clan, Thomas needs to have origins
in the eastern highland counties of Scotland.
McComber
(USA)
(026)
Added 14/10/11
Q
An
enquirer wondered if McComber could be a spelling
variation of McComb. The name appears not to be related
to Scotland, but the enquirer wondered if the Society
had any more information.
R
Sennachie confirmed that McComber (or
McCumber) does not appear in early Scottish records but
does appear in England. Knowing that the surnames of
early settlers to the USA were changed on occasions soon
after arrival, it is possible that McComb became
McComber, but unlikely, especially as the sound of the
two names are different. The website ancestry.com
indicates Irish with Anglo background. A possible course
of action for USA people is to compare DNA for McComber
and McComb.
Thomson
(NZ)
(025)
Added 27/08/11
Q
The enquirer is
keen to find out whether he is of MacThomas or
MacTavish. The furthest he has been able to go back is
to a John Thomson who was born circa 1797 in Clackmannan
and married a Christian Miller on December 10 1820 in
Clackmannan.
R
Sennachie
advised that our Society accepts a link to the Clan
MacThomas if the Thomson ancestor can be linked, usually
through BDM records or census returns, to the eastern
counties of Scotland in the highlands; this generally
means Perthshire, Angus, Fife, Aberdeenshire and
Kincardineshire. Clackmannan borders the old Perthshire
county to the south. The enquirer should search for
John's baptism on the Scotlandspeople website. If he
lived to after 1851, then check the census returns, as
that may confirm where he was born. As John was born in
Clackmannan and if it is not possible to go back further
than this, it will probably be up to the enquirer to
choose MacThomas or MacTavish. That is, if he feels a
connection to the Clan MacThomas then its likely that he
would be accepted as a member of the Clan based on the
link to Clackmannan.
McCombie
(USA)
(024)
Added 27/08/11
Q
The
enquirer is hoping to verify the suspicion of a link
from my family (John McCombie, 1795 who migrated to Nova
Scotia) to Joseph McCombie (who married Isobel Gray
1756), to John McCombie of Forter 1607 as it may be
traceable back through the MacThomas Clan. Also, is a
MacThomas Family tree of some type
available?
R
Sennachie advised that the linking of
early settlers in the US/Can with Clan surnames can be
quite difficult due to limited information in relation
to the parents and birth place of those settlers. Also
records in Scotland tend not to give information about
Scots who settled in overseas countries, although one
source that may provide a connection is probate. On this
website under Genealogy - Family Trees there
are trees relating to the present Chief's ancestors,
including Iain Mor (John Macomie) 7th Chief, who some
researchers say was born in 1607 but there is no
evidence of this. As yet, there is no known link between
the 7th Chief and Joseph McCombie. Also under
Genealogy - Articles there is a good article
about the McCombie sept of the Clan. There are
references to John on the internet such as on
familytreemaker.
McCombs
(Canada)
(023)
Added 27/08/11
Q
A
Canadian Society member enquired about her McCombs
ancestors from Ireland. Thomas McCombs, who married in
1818 to Elizabeth Brooks, was born in Roscrea, Co
Tipperary, in 1796, the son of William McCombs and
Bridget Perkinson. Thomas and a brother Frances
emigrated to Canada; they were protestants. Is it
possible to find a link to
Scotland?
R
Sennachie advised that it will be
difficult to make the link to Scotland. References to a
number of sites were provided including
www.irishgenealogical.org,
www.rootsireland.ie and
www.genuki.org.uk. The member should also check
to see if anyone else is researching this family.
William's occupation may give a clue as he may have been
brought to Ireland (if born in Scotland) because of his
skills. Probably the best advice is to engage a
professional researcher in Tipperary if information
cannot be found on the internet and in published
sources. A possible Scottish connection could be William
McComb who was baptised on 1 March 1773 Wigtown - from
familysearch.org.
Thomson
(UK)
(022)Added
14/07/11
Q
Enquirer
is trying to track her father's family tree but has been
unable find any of his relatives. Her father's name is
Alexander Thomson and in the 1950's his parents lived in
Lanark. He married the enquirer's mother in 1950 and had
at least one half brother. It is believed that he was
born in or around 1926.
R
Sennachie
advised that Thomson is a sept name of the Clan, but one
of the enquirer's Thomson ancestors must have been born
in the eastern highland counties of Scotland. The
enquirer needs to look at the indexes and records on the
scotlandspeople website. Perhaps also read their guides
online. The enquirer should be able to purchase her
parents' marriage certificate from them. Usually the first steps in research include
speaking to all close relatives to see what they can
recall and also to see if they have any documents that
may help. Obtaining a "how to" book of family history
research is also a good idea. It may be helpful to join
a local family history society since they can usually
provide good advice.
Thomas
(NZ)
(021)
Added 08/07/11
Q
The
enquirer is not sure whether he is descended from a
MacThomas or not. His late father offered this
explanation as one alternative, and a 5th cousin in
Australia says that many of his ancestors believed that
they were. Another alternative is that they were a sept
of the Buchanan Clan. Certainly there were Thomas' in
Stirlingshire before the MacThomas clan disbanded. They
can get back to 1733 and there are another two
generations prior but recent research suggests that
while these were almost definitely relatives, they are
not in the direct line. He have identified several of my
Thomas ancestors in the wills list.
R
Sennachie
advised that the name Thomas is relatively common and is
especially widely connected to Wales. However, the
connection to the Clan MacThomas comes about through use
of this name by several Chiefs in the 17th and 18th
century and was possibly used by other clansfolk. You
can see this link by looking at the Chiefs' trees on our
website under Genealogy - Family Trees. It can be
difficult to get absolute proof of a Thomas ancestor's
link to the Clan MacThomas. Our Chief has indicated in
his recent book that its probably acceptable if your
Thomas ancestor came from eastern Scotland, especially
the counties of Perth, Angus, Aberdeen and Fife.
Stirlingshire is a possibility but, as you have
indicated, it could be another Clan. In the end if you
are interested in joining our Society you could put your
tree to our Chief for his
consideration.
Thoms
(UK)
(020)
Added 05/06/11
Q
Great great grandfather, William Charles
Thoms was born approximately 1814 in Scotland. He moved
to live in Bethnal Green, London and our first record of
him is his marriage to Martha Eliza Munro on 21 December
1834 at St. Mary's Lambeth, Surrey. His occupation was
as a book binder. He died in 1854 in Shoreditch. Most of
the records show him as Thomas but he signed his name in
the marriage register as Thoms. Can you please give me
some guidance as to how I can discover his Scottish
roots?
R
You need
to find where William was born so as to be certain of
linking to a Thoms/Thomas baptism in Scotland. Perhaps
the key record will be the 1851 England and Wales census
as this could show where in Scotland he was born. There
is also the 1841 census but it will only indicate if he
was born in the County of residence or not. You can
access the census returns on a site such as
findmypast.com or ancestry.com (both
require payment). Also his death certificate may give
you his father's name. This would help you narrow your
searching for William's baptism. You could try to find a
William Charles Thoms (or variation) born about 1814 on
the scotlandspeoplewebsite (requires payment). One of
the issues for you is that he may have been baptised
without the inclusion of his second given name which did
occur. Another site to try is
familysearch.org.
Hunter
(South
Africa)
(019)
Added 10/04/11
Q
Enquirer
has recently commenced researching his family history
and his grandmother is Eliza Hunter the daughter of
Charles Leitch Hunter of Edinburgh. Is there any
connection to the Clan MacThomas?
R
Sennachie
advised that the purpose of the Society and the
Society's website is to promote an interest in the
MacThomas Clan based on the surnames recognised as being
part of the Clan, especially if their ancestors came
from the eastern highlands of Scotland. The surname
Hunter is not a sept name of the Clan. This means we do
not collect data on people with the name Hunter unless
they marry into one of the sept names. Sennachie
suggested that the enquirer use recommended research
techniques as mentioned on this site and also check the
Clan Hunter website.
McComb
(Not Known)
(018)
Added
04/04/11
Q
As the
enquirer's grandmother
was a McComb he was wondering how he should go about
getting information on how to find or trace this
genealogy?
R
Sennachie advised that much will depend
upon where the enquirer lives. Although researching a
family history is done in much the same way, the records
in various countries can be different. He should
research his McComb line by obtaining his grandmother's
birth, marriage and death certificates (if deceased).
These documents may give him enough information to seek
the birth and marriage records of her father. By doing
this for each generation as far back as possible he may
find that he has ancestors from Scotland. Other records,
such as wills and census returns can help discover his
ancestors. Under Genealogy on this website there is
advice on research techniques; other genealogy websites
may also provide advice. Once he has an outline of his
McComb tree, other sites such as ancestry.com
and familysearch.org may reveal other people who have
researched the same family. Local libraries may also
have books on researching family history, and assistance
may be provided by a local family history society or
historical society.
Macomb
(USA)
(017)
Added
02/04/11
Q
The
enquirer advised that her paternal linage is Macomb. She
asked whether this surname has been considered as a
variant of McComb within the Clan?
R
Sennachie
advised that in addition to the possibility of Macomb
being a variation of McComb it could be a variation of
MacOmbie, another Clan name. Spelling variations
happened more than people realise, especially at times
of settling in a new country. It appears Macomb is found
mainly in the USA. It does not register in the UK on the
website of Great Britain Family Names (link). If further
research establishes a connection to the eastern
highlands of Scotland then our Chief may accept
descendants as members of our Clan.
McCombie
(Australia)
(016)
Added
29/03/11
Q
The
enquirer has traced his daughter's ancestry and found
that her great great grandfather was Charles Field
McCombie born in South Leith, Midlothian. He believes
Charles' parents were Charles McCombie and Elizabeth
Field, both of Aberdeenshire. He would like to know if
this research is reasonable and seeks more background
information.
R
Sennachie advised that this conclusion does
look reasonable and further research using the website
Scotlandspeople may prove the link to Aberdeenshire by
obtaining extracts from the census returns and the
parish registers. Further information can be found on
the website familysearch.org.
For more information on the family and about
Aberdeenshire in general may be obtained by looking at
the website of the Aberdeen & North East Scotland
Family History Society (link) and similar history sources.
Thomson
(Australia)
(015)
Added
27/02/11
Q
The
enquirer would like to be satisfied that he has a
connection to the Clan with a view to becoming a member.
His ancestor Robert Thomson emigrated to New Zealand in
1864. Robert's father, also named Robert, was born in
1807 in St Andrews, Fife and married Henrietta Hodge in
Fife in 1826.
R
The Sennachie advised that the best website
to use in looking up Scottish records is
Scotlandspeople. Another useful site is the Fife Family
History Society (link).
As the enquirer has evidence that his ancestor was born
in Fife, the Chief has advised that he is welcome to
join the Society.
Thom
(South Africa)
(014)
Added
13/02/11
Q
The
enquirer has limited knowledge of his Thom family in
South Africa, although it is said his great grandfather
came from Scotland. The name Bryson is used in the
family as a given name. The enquirer is interested in
joining the Clan Society.
R
The
Sennachie advised that it would be useful to visit a
local public library and read about techniques in
researching family history. Once there is proof of a
link to Scotland then you would be most welcome to join.
This can be done by obtaining relevant birth, death and
marriage certificates of South African ancestors.
Sennachie provided links to familysearch and an
appropriate website relating to research in South
Africa.
Macomber
(USA)
(013)
Added
13/02/11
Q
The
enquirer was interested to know if anyone has made a
link between USA residents named Macomber and the Clan.
He has been able to get back to Dublin with a possible
link to Northumberland. He says his heart is Scottish
without any proof.
R
Sennachie
advised that Macomber is a very unusual name in the UK
with most entries on the website familysearch being
English. He is not aware of any person or reference
suggesting the name is linked to the Clan MacThomas. If
there is an answer of a link to Scotland it is probably
somewhere in records held in the USA or a remote chance
of a mention in an early Scottish will.
Thomson (USA)
(012)
Added
02/01/11
Q
The
enquirer appreciated that as Thomson was more common
this surname does not appear in most of the indexes on
the Clan website, and asked, if his Thomson ancestor was
born in Arbroath, Angus, with his parents having married
in Marykirk, Kincardineshire, is it reasonable to deduce
a link to the Clan MacThomas.
R
The
Sennachie advised that in the Chief's recent book on The
History of the Clan MacThomas, it states on page 161
that people with Clan sept names did settle in
Kincardineshire and Angus so it is reasonable to assume
a connection. Also in relation to checking indexes, for
example the wills index on Scotlandspeople, most can be
searched without paying a fee.
Thom
(England)
(011)
Added 02/01/11
Q
A
member needed assistance to overcome a common challenge
in trying to establish the parents of Robert Thom who
married Margaret Ritchie in May 1807 at New Monkland in
Lanarkshire. They had at least three children, Robert in
November 1807, James in June 1809 and William in March
1811.
R
The 1841
and 1851 Census returns were searched and another
couple, Robert Thom and Elizabeth Pettigrew, were
researched in case there was a connection. The Sennachie
agreed that a solution could be found in the Census
returns if Robert and Margaret lived till then. A search
of the registers and wills on Scotlandspeople might also
be worthwhile. Tracking what happened to Robert's
brothers may also reveal clues. From familysearch,
Robert Thom, baptised on 30 March 1788 at Old Monkland
may be the enquirer's ancestor. The member would like to
make contact with others researching Robert and
Margaret.
Thompson
(USA)
(010)
Added 26/09/10
Q
The
enquirer asked if his name, Thompson, was connected to
the Clan. He has been told that his grandfather who died
in the USA in 1995 was Scottish.
R
The Sennachie advised that the enquirer
needs to do some basic family history research - obtain
his great grandfather's birth, marriage and/or death
certificates, as they may say where he was born. If he
was born in the USA then he needs to do the same for his
father and so on until he finds his Thompson ancestor
who emigrated to the USA. There are articles about doing
family history research on this website and other family
history sites. Sometimes a person's name changed and its
possible the earliest ancestor in the USA had a name
spelt Thomson which is one of our Clan names.
Assuming there has not been a spelling
change, the Sennachie advised that the enquirer's
Thompson ancestors are probably not connected to the
Clan MacThomas. The name is mainly found in England and
in the lowland area of Scotland. There is no official
Clan Thompson.
McIntosh (Australia)
(009)
Added 19/09/10
Q
The enquirer is researching his McIntosh
ancestors back to John McIntosh in Scotland and
considers that there is a possibility this John is John
McComie the grandson of our 5th Chief John McComie and
brother of our 6th Chief Alexander McComie and asked if
we had any information that may
help.
R
The Sennachie advised that the present
Chief’s tree indicates that tradition records this John
went to live in Fife but after checking the Clan article
in the Society’s magazine no additional information was
available. There could be information in such books as A
M Mackintosh’s book Mackintosh Families in Glenshee and
Glenisla published in 1916.
Macomber
(USA) (008)
Added 19/09/10
Q
The
enquirer is researching her Macomber line who came from
Dorset England in 1630's. Legend says they were
Scotsmen. Do you have any resources to help track down
this family? The only time frame that fits the family
leaving Scotland would be after the Battle of Pinkie in
1547.
R
The Sennachie advised that the Society
does not have information that would link the Dorset
Macombers with Scotland. The problem is that in Scotland
there are very few parish records pre 1600 and similarly
in England pre 1550.If there is a record linking the
Dorset Macombers with Scotland, it could be in a record
such as a will, say of a parent in Scotland leaving
something to a child in Dorset. The Sennachie noted that
others on the internet are interested in the McOmbers of
Dorset, but none give an a link to Scotland.
McCombie (Canada)
(007)
Added 19/09/10
Q
A member asked if the Society has a
database of McCombies. Alexander, the son of John
McCombie the Tidesman and his wife Jane Barnet -
possibly went to the West Indies and (among other
things) designed a big Kirk there (destroyed in the
hurricane recently ), was the Editor of the paper in St
George's Grenada in the 1830's and was responsible for
building a water system for both St George's Grenada and
castries St Lucia.
R
The
Sennachie advised that the Society has yet to develop
such a database. In IGI (familysearch.org) someone
considers William McCombie (born c1720) married Marjorie
Wishart in 1748 both in Scotland. And three people
consider their son Alexander was born in about
1746/1749. Then checking the website "worldconnect"
there are three William McCombie/Marjory Wishart
trees.One shows William's father as Sandy and another
Robert McCombie and Isabel Ritchie. There is nothing on
Gencircles.One tree on the Pedigree section of the IGI
takes Robert and Isabel back further to our 7th Chief.
But this has son Alexander dying in
Scotland.
It
is likely that any further evidence will come from a
document in the USA or in Scotland - for example an old
will made in Scotland leaving something to a
son/daughter in the new world.
McComb (USA)
(006)
Added 19/09/10
Q
The
enquirer asked about a possible link between Mecum/Macom
and McComb. Through DNA testing my family has come to
believe it was McComb or McCombs or some variation that
was misspelt into Macom in the early Virginia Colony,
USA. It evolved into Mecom, then Mecum. Do you think we
could be descendants of people from the MacThomas Clan
who migrated from, possibly, Scotland, to, possibly,
Ireland, to, possibly, the Isle of Wight in Virginia,
USA, in the 1600s?
R
The
Sennachie looked at past copies of the Society's
magazine and found no reference to Mecum or variations.
A general search for Macom in the IGI (familysearch.org)
indicated that this spelling is a variation of
McComb/McCombe. An exact spelling search in the British
Isles showed that this name and its variations occur
mostly in England, with a few in Scotland. The suggested
link is possible and, if DNA comparison between the
enquirer's family and males with the name McComb
indicates a strong match, then its likely there is a
link.
Thom (Canada)
(005)
Added 01/08/10
Q
The
enquirer thought that his Thom ancestors came from
Scotland, to England, Germany, then to South Africa. My
Grandparents are Albertus (Bertie) Thom and Johanna
(Joey) Maria Magdelena Olivier. Also Hess is said to be
a surname in my family. Can you please advise on
research.
R
The
Sennachie advised the enquirer to go
back as far possible in South Africa. That is, find the
first Thom ancestor who arrived in South Africa as this
may help to establish where he came from. Certainly the
name Thom appears in Germany as many Scottish people
went to that area centuries ago. It might be
useful to join a local family
history society or historical society. The local library
may know of any such groups. Another suggestion is to
contact all known Thom relatives and ask them what they
know. The Sennachie did some searching on the
internet using the grandparent's name , in Google,
Worldconnect, Familysearch and Gencircle, but found
nothing. The following two websites may
be helpful:
The
enquirer is a descendant of Ezra N. Thomas, who
apparently was born in Scotland in 1774, served in the
USA War of 1812, and died in Furnaceville, New York. He
asked if the Sennachie could help him trace his ancestry
to the MacThomas Clan.
R
The Sennachie advised that Thomas, being a
more common name in the Clan, can be difficult to
research. His first observation was that Ezra is a most
unusual given name in Scotland. It is certainly a name
used often in the 18th and 19th century in the USA. The
www.familysearch.org site includes most baptisms for
Scotland but the enquirer's Ezra does not appear. The
website to use in order to search for a baptism in
Scotland is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. It charges a
fee. The Sennachie suggested that the enquirer needs to
get more evidence in New York about Ezra's link to
Scotland. For example the early 1800's USA census
returns may reveal where he was born. Also, if there was
an obituary for Ezra, then that may reveal his origins.
His war papers may reveal more
information.
Thom
(South
Africa)
(003)
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Added 01/08/10
Q
The
enquirer wondered how he could find out more about his
Thom family history. He needed some help in order to get
started. He asked if the Sennachie could point him in
the right direction?
R
The
Sennachie responded "You have asked a very broad
question and it depends upon just how far you want to
go. On this website under The Clan > Genealogy
>Articles there is piece that I wrote entitled
"Beginning your family history". Please read this. Just
briefly write down what you know about your parents,
grandparents etc, such as birth, marriage and death
dates, talk to your relatives to see what they know,
obtain your birth certificate and then work backwards
getting such information. Some you may be able to get
off the internet and other from books. You could join
your local family history society or historical society,
and the Clan MacThomas Society. Go to your local library
and borrow a book on family history research. There are
guides on some family history websites such as
familysearch.org.
Cumbie
(USA)
(002)
Added 05/07/10
Q
The
enquirer's great-great-great-great grandfather, Leander
(or Lee Andrew) Cumbie was, he
believes, born in Scotland circa 1758. By 1784, he was in South Carolina,
USA. Is there a link to Scotland and the Clan
MacThomas?
R
Cumbie
may well be a spelling variation of Combie, a Clan sept
name, but first there is a need to find evidence from
USA records that he was from Scotland as in those times
Cumbie was also evident in England.
Thomson
(Australia) (001)
Added
05/07/10
Q
The enquirer was researching the name Thompson
from about the early 1800s and Thomson prior to that
time. The earlist record she could find in the ancestral
line was the marriage bans of a William Thomson and
Elizabeth Duncan in the parish register of Liff Benvie
and Invergowrie, Angus in 1814. Can you suggest some
family history centres where she might be able to attend
to do some research, possibly in the Dundee area, or in
Edinburgh?
R
The
Sennachie suggested more research avenues in Australian
records and drew attention to the explanation of the
sept names set out in the Chief's recent book on the
Clan. He suggested the following sites relating to
centres to visit: